Wanderers CEO John Tsatsimas To Quit At End Of Season

32 minutes ago, hughsey said:

With all the claims that came out I said at the time; the truth probably lays somewhere in the middle, perhaps slightly towards the ex employees if I had to take a side. However, to take the word of a small handful of disgruntled ex players and staff as 100% gospel I think is slightly naive cause of course they’re going to be less than complimentary. 

Technical director, director of football etc whatever roles you want to create - the fact still remains that it’s the manager who sets the team up for success or failure and ultimately is the one the players answer to. This is another misconception that I think WSW fans have that if we had all these fancy job titles then we’d suddenly be a better side. It’s not true

In order:
- Yes, sorta, normally. But look at the context of these complaints. 4 coaching staff, all of whom are ex Wanderers or AL players, all quite a job they'd been working their arses off for since retiring. Patty in as little as a few months. Why would they do that without a strong influence?

- Most definitely disagree here. Since the exit of Popa there has been essentially no continuity. Baccus has under 100 games and he's FAR ahead of the next placed player. A Director of Football provides continuity.

- Yes, this is absolutely true. And also again a big problem. Every coach has come with grand plans. Gumby to play like Barca, Babs to bring in top foreign players (and then not ******* bother managing them), JPDM wanted to not use the youngsters to the degree the club wanted, and finally Carl who was essentially a Welsh version of Babs but with less style.

- I've heard some very articulate reasons from forumites, and god forbid, people on Facebook as to why these roles should be considered. I agree just shoving in more middle management, for want of a better term, is not the answer. But doing the same thing over and over, yet hoping for a different result simply won't cut the mustard




 

4 minutes ago, VedranRozic said:

Yes and no. In theory the CEO chooses the coach and gives them the latitude to chose their team. He also sets the club culture. But we also suspect that Lederer is actually making these decisions so maybe  nothing changes. A good CEO, however, also knows how to manage an activist owner to the right outcomes.

This x10

16 minutes ago, hughsey said:

He’s not lying cause there’s obviously something not right. When people recount a situation where they were hard done by though, it’s not uncommon for the objectivity to go out the window a little bit and it ends up sounding worse than what it is. 

It could well have happened exactly as he said but it’s also easy to join in the pile on when things start hitting the fan. He could’ve come forward a lot earlier. Who knows?..

So you're more inclined to believe that:

1. Several ex employees of the club, public figures, chose to risk their reputation by speaking out - were lying

2. A forumite who had a second hand (I think) account of the ceo acting out of line at a wanderers game was wrong

3. Years of constant failure in both the men's and women's team are the fault of ~145 players and ~8 managers but not their boss.

4. The culture of the club changing, as sensed by dozens of members over the last 5 or 6 years, are wrong.

?

1 minute ago, matty said:

So you're more inclined to believe that:

1. Several ex employees of the club, public figures, chose to risk their reputation by speaking out - were lying

2. A forumite who had a second hand (I think) account of the ceo acting out of line at a wanderers game was wrong

3. Years of constant failure in both the men's and women's team are the fault of ~145 players and ~8 managers but not their boss.

4. The culture of the club changing, as sensed by dozens of members over the last 5 or 6 years, are wrong.

?

I'd say dozens is probably the understatement of the year.

1 minute ago, Upthehill said:

I'd say dozens is probably the understatement of the year.

That's just on this forum. And I'm trying to be conservative. 

When you list out the fall of the club in the last 6 years or so, it's bloody tragic.

Markus Babbel giving some love to JT on one of the Instagram fan pages:

"John you are a legend and I am so proud to part of it. Thanks very much for everything specially for your friendship. All the best my friend and you'll never walk alone 👏👏👏"

From recollection and in my opinion Lyall (via Shaun) actively worked with the RBB when things got sticky. JT tried once/twice at the beginning but then threw them under the bus and closed the door to them. He did not go into bat for them against the then FFA.

Someone closer to the fact may want to verify......

2 hours ago, Wanderboy said:

Yes, I know. 

I shouldn't have said that and I apologise.

Its ok, you used that name as a radical differentiation from the others.It makes a point.I thought it was a good point to make.

The oppressor will meet his end.

13 hours ago, matty said:

And you're probably too close to JT. 

One could equally state that you probably don't know what you are talking about. But I would not be so insulting, of course.

As I said, one can disagree about the way JT interpreted his role as CEO. One cannot argue that we've been carp on the pitch for way too long, and that it happened on JT's watch.

But one cannot argue that he executed the directives of the board, with the board's full support. Had the board seen it otherwise then JT would have been sacked a long time ago.

It seems to me that some here have a score to settle with JT because of his relationship with the RBB, and point out how wonderful Lyall Gorman was in comparison.

It seems to have been conveniently forgotten that Gorman did not object when FFA had the RBB surveilled by a counter intelligence outfit, and how oppressive the police presence was in S2. That's what you get when you have a suit as CEO. When we returned to the new ground in parra, the numbers of police and security had gone down significantly. That was all because of JT's work behind the scenes with police and stadium operators. 

Also, Gorman did not have to deal with with the garbage the media dished out, and the RBB itself. JT did. The fall out of Arnie gate and the S4 Melbourne flare party was immense, and it has a lot to do with the relationship between RBB and club turning sour. 

I vividly recall that many were glad to see the better of Popa. Let's see how we go with a new CEO.

10 hours ago, matty said:

So you're more inclined to believe that:

1. Several ex employees of the club, public figures, chose to risk their reputation by speaking out - were lying

2. A forumite who had a second hand (I think) account of the ceo acting out of line at a wanderers game was wrong

3. Years of constant failure in both the men's and women's team are the fault of ~145 players and ~8 managers but not their boss.

4. The culture of the club changing, as sensed by dozens of members over the last 5 or 6 years, are wrong.

?

1) I didn’t say they were lying. See my comments above

2) with all respect, second hand accounts online are just as reliable as me saying I think he’s a scapegoat. FCB says he knows JT well and that he’s a good football man but he gets ignored because it’s not the popular opinion. People like to pick the rumours that suit their argument. 

3) again, see my comments above regarding manager vs CEO roles as well as my reply to wanderboy about what I think will fix our lack of success. High player turnover has been an issue at WSW since the beginning and also a league wide issue I might add. We’re not as alone in that as what we think. 

4) yes the culture has changed and while JT definitely has some faults, the simple fact is that we haven’t been winning football matches. That’s up to the players and manager to do that job. 

It may make a difference JT leaving, it may not. Only time will tell. I just don’t believe it will be the cause and effect most are calling it odds on to be. 
 

Ok unpopular opinion time 

JT and the RBB I'm with JT 

You can't smuggle in homophobic banners to a derby or let off 13 flares in melbourne  then complain when there is a fallout 

JTs wife "you coming home for dinner tonight love Ive cooked your favourite spag Bol"

" No sorry love have to stay at the office a group of fans have decided that a homophobic banners is still acceptable and somehow clever.. I've got to convince a couple of major sponsors to not pull out of the club, then I've got to convince the daily telegraph to not say we are terrorists.."

"But yer not"

"Yeah well since the same group of fans thought that letting off 15 flares is a good idea"

"Ok I'll put it in the fridge for you, heat it up when you get home"

9 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

Ok unpopular opinion time 

JT and the RBB I'm with JT 

You can't smuggle in homophobic banners to a derby or let off 13 flares in melbourne  then complain when there is a fallout 

JTs wife "you coming home for dinner tonight love Ive cooked your favourite spag Bol"

" No sorry love have to stay at the office a group of fans have decided that a homophobic banners is still acceptable and somehow clever.. I've got to convince a couple of major sponsors to not pull out of the club, then I've got to convince the daily telegraph to not say we are terrorists.."

 

"But yer not"

"Yeah well since the same group of fans thought that letting off 15 flares is a good idea"

 

"Ok I'll put it in the fridge for you, heat it up when you get home"

 

 

 

Must admit I've been surprised at the level of vitriol on other social media platforms. Interestingly a lot of 'good bloke with a genuine passion' stories have been posted since the announcement. Maybe we had too much success to soon and it was always going to be difficult for the club to sustain the level of success in the A League environment but at the end of the day the buck stops at someone in his position.

8 minutes ago, MartinTyler said:

Must admit I've been surprised at the level of vitriol on other social media platforms. Interestingly a lot of 'good bloke with a genuine passion' stories have been posted since the announcement. Maybe we had too much success to soon and it was always going to be difficult for the club to sustain the level of success in the A League environment but at the end of the day the buck stops at someone in his position.

JT said himself that the buck stops with him during the Rudan announcement.

33 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

Ok unpopular opinion time 

JT and the RBB I'm with JT 

You can't smuggle in homophobic banners to a derby or let off 13 flares in melbourne  then complain when there is a fallout 

JTs wife "you coming home for dinner tonight love Ive cooked your favourite spag Bol"

" No sorry love have to stay at the office a group of fans have decided that a homophobic banners is still acceptable and somehow clever.. I've got to convince a couple of major sponsors to not pull out of the club, then I've got to convince the daily telegraph to not say we are terrorists.."

 

"But yer not"

"Yeah well since the same group of fans thought that letting off 15 flares is a good idea"

 

"Ok I'll put it in the fridge for you, heat it up when you get home"

 

 

 

FFS. 

10 minutes ago, GE942150 said:

JT said himself that the buck stops with him during the Rudan announcement.

Fully agreed, it was a gamble, JT rolled the dice, and he lost. 

3 minutes ago, GD07 said:

FFS. 

I did say it was unpopular

15 hours ago, matty said:

And you're probably too close to JT. 

CEO sets the culture by how they lead, he has failed dismally. 

1 hour ago, FCB said:

One could equally state that you probably don't know what you are talking about. But I would not be so insulting, of course.

As I said, one can disagree about the way JT interpreted his role as CEO. One cannot argue that we've been carp on the pitch for way too long, and that it happened on JT's watch.

But one cannot argue that he executed the directives of the board, with the board's full support. Had the board seen it otherwise then JT would have been sacked a long time ago.

It seems to me that some here have a score to settle with JT because of his relationship with the RBB, and point out how wonderful Lyall Gorman was in comparison.

It seems to have been conveniently forgotten that Gorman did not object when FFA had the RBB surveilled by a counter intelligence outfit, and how oppressive the police presence was in S2. That's what you get when you have a suit as CEO. When we returned to the new ground in parra, the numbers of police and security had gone down significantly. That was all because of JT's work behind the scenes with police and stadium operators. 

Also, Gorman did not have to deal with with the garbage the media dished out, and the RBB itself. JT did. The fall out of Arnie gate and the S4 Melbourne flare party was immense, and it has a lot to do with the relationship between RBB and club turning sour. 

I vividly recall that many were glad to see the better of Popa. Let's see how we go with a new CEO.

I'm not too close to JT but I 100% agree with FCB.

Yeah I've always felt that gorman gets a very easy ride.

JT could be the nicest bloke in the world. And a lot of people who know him say so. He has still failed on a number of issues. We can shift the blame to the board if we like and say JT was only following orders. That doesn't absolve him in my book- far from it. If the boards way is failing a CEO needs to be able to push back. His refusal to create a club culture as evidenced by fan relations - including removal of fan/community roles- his appointment of others, sponsorship decisions, but most of all a lack of commitment from players year after year after year - this is all part of his role. If your hands are that tied you cant impact any of that  you are just illustrating how ineffective you are in the role.

And again- best interests of the club - yeah, okay. If that were true he'd be gone ASAP and give time for whoever the replacement is.  Next season is a write off now already. Rudan only temp and failing. We're cooked.

I have nothing against JT personally but if you were to go by KPI's and and results on the field and the bucks stops with the CEO then he has failed and hes has done the right thing.

Lederer and the other owners should be taking some of the heat in all of this shyte also.

For this to be continuing for 5 seasons now says it all.

They are not blameless.

Don't want to disrespect the bloke, he has resigned and he's leaving and that's the end of that

21 minutes ago, marron said:

Yeah I've always felt that gorman gets a very easy ride.

JT could be the nicest bloke in the world. And a lot of people who know him say so. He has still failed on a number of issues. We can shift the blame to the board if we like and say JT was only following orders. That doesn't absolve him in my book- far from it. If the boards way is failing a CEO needs to be able to push back. His refusal to create a club culture as evidenced by fan relations - including removal of fan/community roles- his appointment of others, sponsorship decisions, but most of all a lack of commitment from players year after year after year - this is all part of his role. If your hands are that tied you cant impact any of that  you are just illustrating how ineffective you are in the role.

And again- best interests of the club - yeah, okay. If that were true he'd be gone ASAP and give time for whoever the replacement is.  Next season is a write off now already. Rudan only temp and failing. We're cooked.

Popa gave us no notice, pissed off and left us in the lurch. JT has resigned, given plenty of notice, and so the club can now use the time to find a replacement and have a planned transition. I know which I prefer.

If desired, once a replacement is found, the handover can be brought forward.

I wouldn't be surprised if the announced end of season timing is more a board preference than JT's.

Of course Lederer and the other (absent landlords) owners should be copping heat, they’re just as much at fault. But there isn’t people lining up to buy the club so that’s going to be a tougher nut to crack.

37 minutes ago, Edinburgh said:

Popa gave us no notice, pissed off and left us in the lurch. JT has resigned, given plenty of notice, and so the club can now use the time to find a replacement and have a planned transition. I know which I prefer.

If desired, once a replacement is found, the handover can be brought forward.

I wouldn't be surprised if the announced end of season timing is more a board preference than JT's.

 

You are probably right, and I hope you are. Its then not hard then to say "I dont want to leave the club in disarray so the board is actively looking for a replacement to ensure a smooth transition" or whatever. 

It's a step in the right direction that should have been taken a whole ago.

That is pretty much all I have to say on this. I am neither angry or optimistic..just meh..

Season is screwed anyway.

1 hour ago, Edinburgh said:

Popa gave us no notice, pissed off and left us in the lurch. JT has resigned, given plenty of notice, and so the club can now use the time to find a replacement and have a planned transition. I know which I prefer.

If desired, once a replacement is found, the handover can be brought forward.

I wouldn't be surprised if the announced end of season timing is more a board preference than JT's.

 

Management are probably consulting the Wanderers Facebook group....they have all the right answers 

4 hours ago, FCB said:

One could equally state that you probably don't know what you are talking about. But I would not be so insulting, of course.

As I said, one can disagree about the way JT interpreted his role as CEO. One cannot argue that we've been carp on the pitch for way too long, and that it happened on JT's watch.

But one cannot argue that he executed the directives of the board, with the board's full support. Had the board seen it otherwise then JT would have been sacked a long time ago.

It seems to me that some here have a score to settle with JT because of his relationship with the RBB, and point out how wonderful Lyall Gorman was in comparison.

It seems to have been conveniently forgotten that Gorman did not object when FFA had the RBB surveilled by a counter intelligence outfit, and how oppressive the police presence was in S2. That's what you get when you have a suit as CEO. When we returned to the new ground in parra, the numbers of police and security had gone down significantly. That was all because of JT's work behind the scenes with police and stadium operators. 

Also, Gorman did not have to deal with with the garbage the media dished out, and the RBB itself. JT did. The fall out of Arnie gate and the S4 Melbourne flare party was immense, and it has a lot to do with the relationship between RBB and club turning sour. 

I vividly recall that many were glad to see the better of Popa. Let's see how we go with a new CEO.

You actually stated yourself that you know him decently well. So it wasn't an insult at all, although I see how you could take it as one, I wouldn't want to know him too well either.

19 hours ago, FCB said:

We've just lost a football CEO. The club will be hard pressed to find anyone who is more dedicated to WSW than JT. I know that man enough to make that statement.

You're probably too close to JT.

29 minutes ago, matty said:

You're probably too close to JT.

Stop digging, and let's agree to disagree. I've got nothing more to say, and please stop the insults. 

I imagine JT has been given the opportunity to provide a resignation rather than be terminated. The departure period would be in line with his contract.

In my experience CEO's leave for 1 of 3 reasons. 1. Retirement. 2. Loss of confidence from the board to execute on strategy. 3. As the first rat to leave a sinking ship to distance themselves from scandal.

So.... which is it? 2?