Important Message To RBB & All WSW Supporters

So what is the answer if this is not?  How do you truly punish those who mess it up for the rest?

 

It may not be a fair punishment, but what about the actions of the minority (if thats what they are)?  Are they fair?

 

Give a solution that will work better.  It's easy to say it's wrong, but what people aren't doing is coming up with a "workable" alternative.

I think everyone needs to take a deep breath...

 

This outcome from the FFA meeting is a precautionary step for them to hold on to the integrity of football in Australia. This has happened in the past with other clubs and will most definitely happen again in the future.

 

The FFA has an obligation legally and morally to stamp out behaviour they feel crosses the line within the A-League. If supporters - either within a core group or in general - are reckless with their passion towards the game, then the FFA have a legal requirement to mandate acceptable behaviour.

 

Although these recent decisions from the FFA impact us on a whole, it doesn't take away from the main reason we go to these games in the first place - the football.

 

To hear in past posts people saying, "supporters will leave" or "this will destroy the club" disappoints me. I for one am a true fan of the game, especially in my homeland of Western Sydney. To have a team enter the A-League that represents where we are all from has been one of the best sporting moments of my life. To watch them succeed on the park has been an inspiration. This is what we go to the games for - not just to wave flags and beat a drum.

 

Yes these decisions are tough and reading all your posts and how passionate you are, we all would like to get these back in the not too distant future. Decisions are made every day that we don't always agree with. Best thing we can do is accept it, follow the instructions from the people in the know, such as Benched and the team, and getting back to what we love best...

 

..watching our team play football.

So what is the answer if this is not?  How do you truly punish those who mess it up for the rest?

 

It may not be a fair punishment, but what about the actions of the minority (if thats what they are)?  Are they fair?

 

Give a solution that will work better.  It's easy to say it's wrong, but what people aren't doing is coming up with a "workable" alternative.

 

The solution is to work with police to weed these people out. Be loud and proud and clear about not letting trouble makers in. Have a clear message, on the microphone, on posters, on pamphlets that any trouble makers will be turned in by the RBB, who WILL BE WORKING closely with security and police. 

 

Capos coming through the bays screaming out people must sing got the message through. A more coordinated effort will be better then destroying our own home end and punishing the innocent. 

 

As hard as we will try - and loud as we will sing, drums tifos and flags add another 20 - 30% to our support. Because of the atmosphere we draw more people. Not we will be "a man down" so to speak. 

 

WE DONT NEED TO BE PUNISHED OR THREATENED, we should be happy to work with polcie and security whilst maintaing the great atmosphere. 

ps - how long do these "precautionary measures" last - till the end of the season? Well their goes the season. There goes the drums and instruments for the march. Or perhaps until some idiot lets off another flare. Then we are back to square one. 

Typical authorities taking the passion out of football.

If the RBB had rolled over before we wouldnt be marching down church street. These guys will continue to beat us down until they creat a drab soulless atmosphere. 

Flares will never be allowed in Australia, thats just the way the culture is. The great thing is the RBB is still the best supporter group with the best atmosphere, even without them. And hopefully no more throwing bottles at players!

Edited January 19, 2013 by Portillo

This is a joke from the FFA and just shows the Police racism and heavy handedness against the people of Western Sydney... for 15 yrs I have copped this crap from NSW police, everything time we create something special they want to destroy it!!!

 

Why do I say discrimination... go to any bulldogs match - there is a fights there every week but I dont see them banning flags and colours and instruments etc...

 

Go to any One day cricket game... the swearing, drunkedness, fights and sexual harassment that goes on at those... and do I see any repercussions???? why because its a sport for "Aussies" red necks and its okay for them to behave like that... but wogs can behave like that because we are "undesirables"...

 

what a bloody joke...

 

I say boycott and the FFA can run the latest Gold Coast United and keep loosing money..

 

If they want 2000 - 3000 people a week and the games singing "parra, parra, parra" and thats it... then so be it...

 

the only reason they put us in the league is cause they would of breached their contract with Foxtel and they were desperate...

 

They need us, we dont need them... we can go back to supporting Premier League (here and england)...

 

I suggest silence for first 20 mins and everyone wears blank white shirts... no club colours...

There are some varying and conflicting viewpoints in this thread which are to be expected with a diverse range of people and ideas.

 

Lets break it down.

 

The RBB are the major supporter group of one club.

 

The Wanderers are one of ten teams in the A-League competition

 

The A-League is owned and operated by FFA which also undertakes our national team.

 

Football is one of four major ball codes in Australia.

 

In my opinion the FFA are trying to protect the brand image of there investment in 1) The Wanderers 2)The A-League and 3) Football in General.

 

The issue I believe is the not preaching to the converted. In other words trying to protect a brand image amongst people like ourselves who clearly already love football, understand its differences in sporting culture and are not afraid of what that brings.

 

They are trying to ensure the brand image on several levels is kept in line with trying to grow the brand from an audience og people who are not insiders and who perhaps see flares as a something intimidating and dangerous.

 

Whilst there as been issues with other supporter groups in the past in particular the Melbourne Victory, I think the concern is around its affect on the largest sporting catchment area in Australia and will continue to expand with the further development of population in Western Sydney. The fear would be if they do not control the 'image' of the RBB they will marginalise future potential supporters and hamper the inroads in a NRL dominated market not to mention the recent addition of AFL attacking the Western Suburbs.

 

The other issue would be amongst potential sponsorship and how the greater public perception of the The Wanderers and in turn the A-League (Football) and its effects on potential revenue in the future. I have no doubt our major sponsors like NRMA would raise concerns amongst perceived 'radical' behaviour from the RBB; as a result putting pressure on several areas of the FFA to do something about it.

 

I think it only comes down to two issues:

Flairs

Perceived violent behaviour (Fighting, Aggression towards passive fans and object throwing)

 

If they are removed and the RBB continue to just be the most passionate and vocal support in the a-league I can't see a problem, however every time the line is crossed with these two facts the FFA would worry about the above brand issues and put pressure the club and the RBB to clean it up.

 

This is far deeper than just simply saying "F&*K the FFA and we can do what we want" or "The FFA would be nothing without (US)". Thoughts need to be made in the bigger picture of where do we (the football supporters) of the country want to see the game go in the future in comparison the NRL or AFL and to a lesser degree Union and cricket.

 

Just my thoughts...

 

So what is the answer if this is not?  How do you truly punish those who mess it up for the rest?

 

It may not be a fair punishment, but what about the actions of the minority (if thats what they are)?  Are they fair?

 

Give a solution that will work better.  It's easy to say it's wrong, but what people aren't doing is coming up with a "workable" alternative.

 

The solution is to work with police to weed these people out. Be loud and proud and clear about not letting trouble makers in. Have a clear message, on the microphone, on posters, on pamphlets that any trouble makers will be turned in by the RBB, who WILL BE WORKING closely with security and police. 

 

Capos coming through the bays screaming out people must sing got the message through. A more coordinated effort will be better then destroying our own home end and punishing the innocent. 

 

As hard as we will try - and loud as we will sing, drums tifos and flags add another 20 - 30% to our support. Because of the atmosphere we draw more people. Not we will be "a man down" so to speak. 

 

WE DONT NEED TO BE PUNISHED OR THREATENED, we should be happy to work with polcie and security whilst maintaing the great atmosphere. 

 

I like your thinking, but it has been said many times already (even on this thread) that there will be no snitching.  So no real consequences for the perpetrators.

Big deal. Just move on. We can't say it wasn't coming.

There are some varying and conflicting viewpoints in this thread which are to be expected with a diverse range of people and ideas.

 

Lets break it down.

 

The RBB are the major supporter group of one club.

 

The Wanderers are one of ten teams in the A-League competition

 

The A-League is owned and operated by FFA which also undertakes our national team.

 

Football is one of four major ball codes in Australia.

 

In my opinion the FFA are trying to protect the brand image of there investment in 1) The Wanderers 2)The A-League and 3) Football in General.

 

The issue I believe is the not preaching to the converted. In other words trying to protect a brand image amongst people like ourselves who clearly already love football, understand its differences in sporting culture and are not afraid of what that brings.

 

They are trying to ensure the brand image on several levels is kept in line with trying to grow the brand from an audience og people who are not insiders and who perhaps see flares as a something intimidating and dangerous.

 

Whilst there as been issues with other supporter groups in the past in particular the Melbourne Victory, I think the concern is around its affect on the largest sporting catchment area in Australia and will continue to expand with the further development of population in Western Sydney. The fear would be if they do not control the 'image' of the RBB they will marginalise future potential supporters and hamper the inroads in a NRL dominated market not to mention the recent addition of AFL attacking the Western Suburbs.

 

The other issue would be amongst potential sponsorship and how the greater public perception of the The Wanderers and in turn the A-League (Football) and its effects on potential revenue in the future. I have no doubt our major sponsors like NRMA would raise concerns amongst perceived 'radical' behaviour from the RBB; as a result putting pressure on several areas of the FFA to do something about it.

 

I think it only comes down to two issues:

 

Flairs

Perceived violent behaviour (Fighting, Aggression towards passive fans and object throwing)

 

If they are removed and the RBB continue to just be the most passionate and vocal support in the a-league I can't see a problem, however every time the line is crossed with these two facts the FFA would worry about the above brand issues and put pressure the club and the RBB to clean it up.

 

This is far deeper than just simply saying "F&*K the FFA and we can do what we want" or "The FFA would be nothing without (US)". Thoughts need to be made in the bigger picture of where do we (the football supporters) of the country want to see the game go in the future in comparison the NRL or AFL and to a lesser degree Union and cricket.

 

Just my thoughts...

Very well put. 

 

 

So what is the answer if this is not?  How do you truly punish those who mess it up for the rest?

 

It may not be a fair punishment, but what about the actions of the minority (if thats what they are)?  Are they fair?

 

Give a solution that will work better.  It's easy to say it's wrong, but what people aren't doing is coming up with a "workable" alternative.

 

The solution is to work with police to weed these people out. Be loud and proud and clear about not letting trouble makers in. Have a clear message, on the microphone, on posters, on pamphlets that any trouble makers will be turned in by the RBB, who WILL BE WORKING closely with security and police. 

 

Capos coming through the bays screaming out people must sing got the message through. A more coordinated effort will be better then destroying our own home end and punishing the innocent. 

 

As hard as we will try - and loud as we will sing, drums tifos and flags add another 20 - 30% to our support. Because of the atmosphere we draw more people. Not we will be "a man down" so to speak. 

 

WE DONT NEED TO BE PUNISHED OR THREATENED, we should be happy to work with polcie and security whilst maintaing the great atmosphere. 

 

I like your thinking, but it has been said many times already (even on this thread) that there will be no snitching.  So no real consequences for the perpetrators.

Understand mate. But think of this.

 

We would rather not snitch on people doing the wrong thing and destroy our own home end atmosphere? How does this make any sense? 

 

Idiots will come to any sporting game. Look at the morons at the cricket or NRL. You can minimize but never completely stop it. We are setting up a dangerous precedent by rolling over because we are saying next time this sort of behaviour occurs (which will be inevitable) we accept the harsh bans imposed on the majority of good supporters. 

I think every needs to understand the type of measures we will be subjecting ourselves too. The security and police presence is going to rub people up the wrong way. And it is only the beginning.

 

I was once thrown out of Parra Stadium for apparent disorderly behaviour. I took the matter to police and demanded video footage be viewed by police. They found I had done nothing and issued a formal apology.

 

This is what will happen to other innocents at the game. Just watch for increasing reports of over zealous security now who will be under instructions to further clamp down on such behaviour.

If we chose to work with them, this wouldnt be the case. 

 

 

 

So what is the answer if this is not?  How do you truly punish those who mess it up for the rest?

 

It may not be a fair punishment, but what about the actions of the minority (if thats what they are)?  Are they fair?

 

Give a solution that will work better.  It's easy to say it's wrong, but what people aren't doing is coming up with a "workable" alternative.

 

The solution is to work with police to weed these people out. Be loud and proud and clear about not letting trouble makers in. Have a clear message, on the microphone, on posters, on pamphlets that any trouble makers will be turned in by the RBB, who WILL BE WORKING closely with security and police. 

 

Capos coming through the bays screaming out people must sing got the message through. A more coordinated effort will be better then destroying our own home end and punishing the innocent. 

 

As hard as we will try - and loud as we will sing, drums tifos and flags add another 20 - 30% to our support. Because of the atmosphere we draw more people. Not we will be "a man down" so to speak. 

 

WE DONT NEED TO BE PUNISHED OR THREATENED, we should be happy to work with polcie and security whilst maintaing the great atmosphere. 

 

I like your thinking, but it has been said many times already (even on this thread) that there will be no snitching.  So no real consequences for the perpetrators.

Understand mate. But think of this.

 

We would rather not snitch on people doing the wrong thing and destroy our own home end atmosphere? How does this make any sense? 

 

Idiots will come to any sporting game. Look at the morons at the cricket or NRL. You can minimize but never completely stop it. We are setting up a dangerous precedent by rolling over because we are saying next time this sort of behaviour occurs (which will be inevitable) we accept the harsh bans imposed on the majority of good supporters. 

 I agree with you.  I can't see how the "no snitching" culture can continue to work when the alternative is letting the minority get away with it and destroying everything the RBB has worked so hard to achieve.

I have just heard the news. I am 62yo and enjoy both the game and the RBB from Bay 47 on the Western Terrace. So do all the people around me! If I was younger I would sit in Bay 56 and sing my heart out every week as well,  'shoulder to shoulder' if you like, as you say but the sun is too much for me. MY views on the RBB are well known. One need only view my Twitter posts to see how supportive (from day 1) and enthralled I am about the majority of the genuine RBB there are out there. But I have also warned that it only takes a few and all that has been put in place is seriously threatened and so sadly that is what is happening now. I congratulate those RBB leaders who attended the meeting with the Club. At this stage I have no specific solutions but will think about this. I am unsure about the wristband procedure (tough to Police and who deservse the band?) just like some people on this post have said. However, in general terms, remember your motto and your mantra..."We Sing for Wanderers'. We all do, on the terraces as well. In recent home matches that singing has been directed to the cross terraces, both east and west, and that has been both fantatsic and an amazing match day experience for all, not just the RBB in Bay 56 but for all WSW supporters who have had to wait 8 years for our club to support. I have never seen anything to match it in sport in any code over my lifetime. perhaps the small band of Fanatics at the Tennis but they are small in number but do it right. You must not lose that. It is so very special and very contagious. However, "We Sing for Wanderers' does not mean we swear, throw bottles wih urine and flow flares or ruin the environment in the northern stand. They are the actions of a few and they must be weeded out. The RBB must self regulate or it will all be lost and something wonderful extinguished forever. FFA, the Club and the Police will not allow such anti social behaviour to continue. All will be lost that the core element of the RBB endorses and the many wider supporters like myself enjoy. How can anyone deny a group that sing and chant their hearts out every week?  That is what it is all about. The interests of the many are being ruined by the actions of the few! Whatever you do you must stay true to your mantra "We Sing for Wanderers' and weed out the idiots who will ruin the passion for all. Find me on Twitter. Contact me if you like. I love the RBB. All the very best.

I have just heard the news. I am 62yo and enjoy both the game and the RBB from Bay 47 on the Western Terrace. So do all the people around me! If I was younger I would sit in Bay 56 and sing my heart out every week as well,  'shoulder to shoulder' if you like, as you say but the sun is too much for me. MY views on the RBB are well known. One need only view my Twitter posts to see how supportive (from day 1) and enthralled I am about the majority of the genuine RBB there are out there. But I have also warned that it only takes a few and all that has been put in place is seriously threatened and so sadly that is what is happening now. I congratulate those RBB leaders who attended the meeting with the Club. At this stage I have no specific solutions but will think about this. I am unsure about the wristband procedure (tough to Police and who deservse the band?) just like some people on this post have said. However, in general terms, remember your motto and your mantra..."We Sing for Wanderers'. We all do, on the terraces as well. In recent home matches that singing has been directed to the cross terraces, both east and west, and that has been both fantatsic and an amazing match day experience for all, not just the RBB in Bay 56 but for all WSW supporters who have had to wait 8 years for our club to support. I have never seen anything to match it in sport in any code over my lifetime. perhaps the small band of Fanatics at the Tennis but they are small in number but do it right. You must not lose that. It is so very special and very contagious. However, "We Sing for Wanderers' does not mean we swear, throw bottles wih urine and flow flares or ruin the environment in the northern stand. They are the actions of a few and they must be weeded out. The RBB must self regulate or it will all be lost and something wonderful extinguished forever. FFA, the Club and the Police will not allow such anti social behaviour to continue. All will be lost that the core element of the RBB endorses and the many wider supporters like myself enjoy. How can anyone deny a group that sing and chant their hearts out every week?  That is what it is all about. The interests of the many are being ruined by the actions of the few! Whatever you do you must stay true to your mantra "We Sing for Wanderers' and weed out the idiots who will ruin the passion for all. Find me on Twitter. Contact me if you like. I love the RBB. All the very best.

 

Well said and you have a new twitter follower...

This is a joke from the FFA and just shows the Police racism and heavy handedness against the people of Western Sydney... for 15 yrs I have copped this crap from NSW police, everything time we create something special they want to destroy it!!!

 

Why do I say discrimination... go to any bulldogs match - there is a fights there every week but I dont see them banning flags and colours and instruments etc...

 

Go to any One day cricket game... the swearing, drunkedness, fights and sexual harassment that goes on at those... and do I see any repercussions???? why because its a sport for "Aussies" red necks and its okay for them to behave like that... but wogs can behave like that because we are "undesirables"...

 

what a bloody joke...

 

I say boycott and the FFA can run the latest Gold Coast United and keep loosing money..

 

If they want 2000 - 3000 people a week and the games singing "parra, parra, parra" and thats it... then so be it...

 

the only reason they put us in the league is cause they would of breached their contract with Foxtel and they were desperate...

 

They need us, we dont need them... we can go back to supporting Premier League (here and england)...

 

I suggest silence for first 20 mins and everyone wears blank white shirts... no club colours...

 

Dear friend .. There is a reason why you are a Hatamoto stooge, you dont bite the hand that feeds you, its a simple as that!

Brother it's a flare not a flame thrower , n in which line did I say it's ok to throw a flare on the field , an you've puzzled me wid the last bit you wrote lol I don't know what to say to that n I didn't say anything about how you support the club or how you spend your money , only thing i can say good on ya!!!!! Keep Spreading the word about the wanderers i do too quote name="CaptGrumpy" post="81303" timestamp="1358561833"]

So captgrump , so over a couple of bottles n a shoe , you have a ***** cry n take all our sh;t away n that ball boy wasnt even here that flare that some idiot throw on the field , so stop makin it sound like he got hit by it , the bottle thing was a one off n I do believe they were randoms throwing them on the field , cos I remember that night no1 was happy about what happen , so i still find it a piss weak reason to take away our sh; t , really really piss weak

 Never said he got hit. So how close is it OK to throw a flare near a kid?    What is the rule that everyone will say it's OK and stick by it? What if it was your kid?   Does that change things? What is OK to throw onto the field?  1 shoe is OK?  Bottles are OK as long as it is only every 10th game?  What if the bottles have piss in them  are they allowed but less often? Where is the line Banana?  Serious question.  Do you wait until someone is hurt?  What if that flare thrown does hit a ball kid and he becomes scared for life with burns?  Is that the time that we all start to take this seriously?  Isn't it too late then?  So where is the line?  Whats the magic solution that you have to fix this issue? Oh and I'm not the one you should be pissed off at.  I haven't done any of the stuff that has brought this onto the RBB, and I am not the one who is in authority who has taken the priveleges away.  I am a foundation member, just like you.  I have been to every game and shouted a loud as any.  I have spread the word of the Wanderers like anyone.  I have put my hard earned $ on the table and bought season tickets and merchandise.   Don't get pissed of at me for agreeing with them.

To the boys that have represented us, you've done us proud. A sincere thanks for being the voice of our supporters group, don't be discouraged; we have and always will stand shoulder to shoulder.

 

As an opinion towards wrist bands? 

If you own a membership in bay 56, you have every right to sit there. i think its a good idea, or at least worth a trial run. i think it will tame bay 56 as the behavioral conduct is mutually understood between fans.

i sit on the left side of bay 57 closest to the core and i like that i know to my left, i have fellow supporters that are singing 110%. and doing so in an appropriate way. But you can ask any other supporter (bays 55 &57) the atmosphere is just as good. 

 

Bay 56 needs to lead by example, and as has been repeated through this thread, cut the flares (as fun as they are).

And i think really getting behind the supporters self policing each other probably more so for the supporters of bay 55 and 57. We are all represent the WSW so lets do it the right way. Take it upon yourselves if you see something wrong and tell the capos or get into the ear of a wrong doer.

 

Ill only miss the drums on OZ day so hopes that they will make a return, otherwise its the same drill as every other week. 

We put on the red and black, we rock up before the game, we add to the atmosphere and enjoy the energy, cough up blood singing so hard, and we leave, satisfied. Regardless of result.

 

We are strong in numbers! 

 

This shouldn't be a wake up call, it should be the double shot coffee in the morning that kicks you into gear!

 

Bring on Melb Heart, sorry FFA, the RBB is carved in stone, each member with a heart of gold, you won't discourage me!!

 

'and sing for you again,

more glorious than death'

But you haven't answered the important question.

 

Where is the line in the sand?

 

 

 

 

So what is the answer if this is not?  How do you truly punish those who mess it up for the rest?

 

It may not be a fair punishment, but what about the actions of the minority (if thats what they are)?  Are they fair?

 

Give a solution that will work better.  It's easy to say it's wrong, but what people aren't doing is coming up with a "workable" alternative.

 

The solution is to work with police to weed these people out. Be loud and proud and clear about not letting trouble makers in. Have a clear message, on the microphone, on posters, on pamphlets that any trouble makers will be turned in by the RBB, who WILL BE WORKING closely with security and police. 

 

Capos coming through the bays screaming out people must sing got the message through. A more coordinated effort will be better then destroying our own home end and punishing the innocent. 

 

As hard as we will try - and loud as we will sing, drums tifos and flags add another 20 - 30% to our support. Because of the atmosphere we draw more people. Not we will be "a man down" so to speak. 

 

WE DONT NEED TO BE PUNISHED OR THREATENED, we should be happy to work with polcie and security whilst maintaing the great atmosphere. 

 

I like your thinking, but it has been said many times already (even on this thread) that there will be no snitching.  So no real consequences for the perpetrators.

Understand mate. But think of this.

 

We would rather not snitch on people doing the wrong thing and destroy our own home end atmosphere? How does this make any sense? 

 

Idiots will come to any sporting game. Look at the morons at the cricket or NRL. You can minimize but never completely stop it. We are setting up a dangerous precedent by rolling over because we are saying next time this sort of behaviour occurs (which will be inevitable) we accept the harsh bans imposed on the majority of good supporters. 

 I agree with you.  I can't see how the "no snitching" culture can continue to work when the alternative is letting the minority get away with it and destroying everything the RBB has worked so hard to achieve.

If there is to be no snitching, but the police/stadium/ffa/club whoever will come down hard on the rbb if trouble occurs, then the rbb simply has to come down hard on those that cause the trouble in order to stamp it out before it gets to that stage.

people can be sceptical about that happening of course. but that is the only way it can work without turning people over to the authorities.

apart from having clear consequences it would also involve every man jack in the rbb manning up and telling people who misbehave (or even more importantly are about to) where to go. This can only happen if every person in the rbb knows that they will be backed up by every other person around them.  

Ironically its the passionate fans who are debating it. The idiots throwing the flares move on. We get punished because of them. They have let us all down and deserve to be snitched on!

But you haven't answered the important question.

 

Where is the line in the sand?

 

I think the line in the sand is clear:

 

Violent behaviour (Throwing objects, aggression toward passive fans, physical violence)

Flares or pyrotechnics

 

Everything else is fair game.

Edited January 19, 2013 by IronWanderer

How could you snitch somebody in n be proud of it , that's the biggest dog act , who ever wants to snitch , go n join the cove you'll fit right in , they snitch each other in ever week n then have a beer together n talk about who snitch who in , fuking dogs , so I better not found a rat here

 

But you haven't answered the important question.

 

Where is the line in the sand?

 

I think the line in the sand is clear:

 

Violent behaviour (Throwing objects, aggression toward passive fans, physical violence)

Flares or pyrotechnics

 

Everything else is fair game.

I agree with you, but I think there are others who disagree. 

 

 

But you haven't answered the important question.

 

Where is the line in the sand?

 

I think the line in the sand is clear:

 

Violent behaviour (Throwing objects, aggression toward passive fans, physical violence)

Flares or pyrotechnics

 

Everything else is fair game.

I agree with you, but I think there are others who disagree. 

 

you could only really add swearing? otherwise exactly what else can we not do?

 

the above are pretty much agreed upon, its a matter of enforcement, by members and not security / police

How could you snitch somebody in n be proud of it , that's the biggest dog act , who ever wants to snitch , go n join the cove you'll fit right in , they snitch each other in ever week n then have a beer together n talk about who snitch who in , fuking dogs , so I better not found a rat here

 

Mate I will tell you why. Because those who are causing trouble  are ruining it for everyone. They are doing the wrong thing, and because you say nothing (not you personally!), we condone it and it leads to this.

 

Those doing the wrong thing are hurting the club. I am sure you will agree with this. So by us saying nothing we also hurt  the club, and punish the good people and all their hard work. 

 

Surely you can see how not dobbing in the trouble makers has led to the entire group been punished? You would rather see the whole group be punished then some idiot trouble makers? 

Edited January 19, 2013 by westofcentre

But you haven't answered the important question. Where is the line in the sand?

The line is there now , if you wanna step over be my guess , but I will not be snitchin anyone in , you can forget about , remember its shoulder to shoulder not snitch to snitch. ....

shulder to shoulder applies to members doing the right thing

 

Thats my opinion. and im pretty sure its right..

 

But you haven't answered the important question. Where is the line in the sand?

The line is there now , if you wanna step over be my guess , but I will not be snitchin anyone in , you can forget about , remember its shoulder to shoulder not snitch to snitch. ....

 

And why do we sing shoulder to shoulder? It means to stand in unity for the benefit of the club.

 

If I throw a flare, the club receives a fine. How does this benefit the club? Shoulder to shoulder with a trouble maker? This is a manipulation of our club motto simply to protect those who want to damage the club. 

 

Shoulder to shoulder is a badge of honour. WSW is about a fair go, honesty, integrity, showing the rest of Australia that we are better then what the media portray us as.

 

If shoulder to shoulder is about protecting people who break the law, and punishing the majority, then we have severe issues and the club will have no future. 

Edited January 19, 2013 by westofcentre

 

But you haven't answered the important question. Where is the line in the sand?

The line is there now , if you wanna step over be my guess , but I will not be snitchin anyone in , you can forget about , remember its shoulder to shoulder not snitch to snitch. ....

 

This is an issue for the RBB to wrestle with and particularly the leaders.  The RBB are free to choose their path, but each has consequences.