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    Important Message To RBB & All WSW Supporters

     

    Myself (Benched), BigDukes, RBBKopite and JohnG met with the Club and FFA on Wednesday afternoon. We were asked to attend due to incidents that have taken place this year, such as the away derby (where several flares were thrown onto the pitch), CCM match (bottle incident) and the recent W-League match (flares and a pitch invasion).

     

    We had a very open and frank discussion which lasted several hours. As of the conclusion of the meeting we have lost everything:

    • Tifos.
    • Oversized flags.
    • Megaphones,
    • Instruments.

    These are privileges that we are allowed and we have now lost those privileges. It is up to us to earn back our privileges starting now. Our response and behaviour from this moment must be strong & unified.

     

    It is only due to the continued efforts at building an open relationship with the club that we have any chance at all to reverse the situation.

     

    The club is no longer able to decide whether or not we have our match day equipment. The club and the FFA can still have an influence on the police and stadium on our behalf. The ball is very much in our court now and the club & FFA have told us precisely what WE ALL need to do.

     

    No anti-social behaviour is the overarching message here. Anti-social behaviour includes:

    • Flares. They won’t be tolerated. It has been well and truly communicated to us that it is an absolute zero tolerance policy from here on in. Let’s face it guys, we’ve had a lot of flares and have got away with blue murder to date.
    • Moshing on the terrace. The stadium will not tolerate the damage it causes and we should be mindful of the potential for injury not only to those involved but those around it, our fellow fans.
    • Swearing through the megaphones or in chants is also considered as anti-social behaviour.
    • Sneaky tifo’s such as confetti displays, receipt rolls, streamers etc. Everything must be above board & pre registered, assuming we are even allowed to do another tifo this season.

    I ask you all to consider your actions on match day and understand that what we thought to be a heavy police presence in the past is nothing compared to what it will be now. The RBB is and always will be bigger than any one individual. Don’t be selfish and ruin it for the entire home end. Too much hard work has been put in by many, many, many people:

    • Capo's expel so much energy to ensure we become THE BEST active supporters in the country.
    • We have people spending many hours co-ordinating and producing our tifo’s, flags, banners, confetti etc.
    • We have a great group of musicians who give us the atmosphere that makes us want to party for the full 90 minutes and show our pride and passion for our team.
    • We have a very dedicated group of people behind the scenes co-ordinating marches, the club dialogue, match day activities, handling countless media requests and all manner of things which most of you would not know about.
    • Lastly, but definitely not least, we have everyone who turns up on match day and gives their all in the support of our club.

    I urge you all to take this very seriously.

     

    The club and FFA both understand that our home end has grown more rapidly than any of us ever expected or hoped it would. They also understand that with rapid growth comes the challenge of managing a group that has grown from 40 guys & girls singing on a hill at Cook park into 2500 people (mostly) singing in the North Terrace at Parra stadium. We spoke about this at length, particularly regarding the frustration felt by a lot of RBB members at arriving from the march to see the active support bays filled with people who refuse to participate, sponges that absorb the atmosphere we create rather than join in making it even better.

     

    Our ONLY chance at earning the ability to make a tifo for the next home derby is to prove that we can manage Bay 56, to show that we have a strong core of 340 RBB who understand what we are trying to achieve and will not screw it up for everyone else through selfish actions. A suggestion was made for us to obtain wristbands, and the concept works in two ways:

    1. We ensure that bay 56 is rock solid every week. Anyone without a wristband will NOT be allowed into the bay, and we have a promise from the club that security will enforce this on our behalf.
    2. If someone does misbehave, they won't be in bay 56 and won't be wearing a wristband which means the club, FFA and police will know that the person is not part of our core group and thus outside of our realm of responsibility.

    We make no apologies for the length of this post or for the seriousness of the contents.

     

    The RBB was founded as a democratic group and we urge everyone who stands & sings in the home end to exercise your democratic right of reply and have your voice heard.

     

    Admin: Some modifications were made by me (Mack), to improve readability and formatting to promote this post to the frontpage. The message itself was not changed.


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    Ian

    Posted

    a few pages ago someone suggested getting ffa and the grounds to approve flares for certain people eg capos in safe and

    controlled environment, how realistic is this?

     

    We've raised this at numerous meetings and even talked about paying for boys to get pyrotechnics licenses, unfortunately its not realistic for the moment.

     

    We just have to work on our behaviour, I know this is ****ed up and I hate to be telling people to stop doing their thing because I think flares add to the atmosphere. But we can't risk everything (literally everything that the RBB has built) for a few flares.

    Balkanite

    Posted

    a few pages ago someone suggested getting ffa and the grounds to approve flares for certain people eg capos in safe and

    controlled environment, how realistic is this?

     

     

    LOL, why are flares that important? we cant live without them? i know i can!

    UltrasRBB

    Posted

     

     

    a few pages ago someone suggested getting ffa and the grounds to approve flares for certain people eg capos in safe and

    controlled environment, how realistic is this?

     

    We've raised this at numerous meetings and even talked about paying for boys to get pyrotechnics licenses, unfortunately its not realistic for the moment.

     

    We just have to work on our behaviour, I know this is ****ed up and I hate to be telling people to stop doing their thing because I think flares add to the atmosphere. But we can't risk everything (literally everything that the RBB has built) for a few flares.

     

     

     

     

    Wow Thanks for your reply Ian looks like u guys have spent time on this already.

     

    Btw u seem a little calmer today lol

     

     

    a few pages ago someone suggested getting ffa and the grounds to approve flares for certain people eg capos in safe and

    controlled environment, how realistic is this?

     

    LOL, why are flares that important? we cant live without them? i know i can!

     

     

     

    man i love them balks i've seen how they work in Europe when its controlled and are legal, but we just have to go without judging by what Ian just said otherwise we lose more important things.

     

    I really hope we come on top of this and the continually growth of RBB doesn’t stop.

    Balkanite

    Posted

     

     

    a few pages ago someone suggested getting ffa and the grounds to approve flares for certain people eg capos in safe and

    controlled environment, how realistic is this?

     

    We've raised this at numerous meetings and even talked about paying for boys to get pyrotechnics licenses, unfortunately its not realistic for the moment.

     

    We just have to work on our behaviour, I know this is ****ed up and I hate to be telling people to stop doing their thing because I think flares add to the atmosphere. But we can't risk everything (literally everything that the RBB has built) for a few flares.

     

     

     

    Wow Thanks for your reply Ian looks like u guys have spent time on this already.

     

    Btw u seem a little calmer today lol

    a few pages ago someone suggested getting ffa and the grounds to approve flares for certain people eg capos in safe and

    controlled environment, how realistic is this?

     

    LOL, why are flares that important? we cant live without them? i know i can!

    man i love them balks i've seen how they work in Europe when its controlled and are legal, but we just have to go without judging by what Ian just said otherwise we lose more important things.

     

    I really hope we come on top of this and the continually growth of RBB doesn’t stop.

     

     

     

    As Ian said, its not worth risking all things RBB over a silly flare, we need to unite and sing 90 minutes shoulder to shoulder!

    StillWandering

    Posted

    a few pages ago someone suggested getting ffa and the grounds to approve flares for certain people eg capos in safe and

    controlled environment, how realistic is this?

     

    This is Australia. The place where road and car technology get better, yet speed limits get slower, due to your ESFC types, there will always be someone wanting to hold our hand.

     

    Again people need to get over the whole bay 56 core non core bs. If your not standing in Bay 56 tough biccies. I've been around since before day dot and try to get Bay 57 pumping along with many other "core" rbb.

     

    If you chant the whole match your RBB and your not gonna have issues, because you're gonna be too busy chanting your ass off to worry which bay your in. Though I would like to stop with this love in crap that everyone down there is RBB. If your there for the experience your a poser and I can guarantee, there aren't 2000 people chanting their asses off. 

     

    But this just leaves us with room for improvement. So stop thinking about yourselves and just make sure you're doing your all to contribute to that home end. Because then you will know your RBB!

    Astro

    Posted

    In my opinion there are a lot of general admin probably more that sing and add to the atmosphere in the north end.... I'm a general admin who along with my mates sings there arses off at every home game beside the rbb,we see so many ppl around us and the rbb who don't sing .....we all need to be in this as one to keep the atmosphere going otherwise it is slowly going to die ........ Sing in the north end or sit on the sides

    dmixtaaa

    Posted

     

    How can we seriously control 2000 ppl. Some say that the RBB hide behind non core members and the few bad apples etc, yet I was at the w-league match and saw heaps of people I had never seen before. How easy is it for any party to organise an individual to go into the RBB and rip a flare or smokie. Security companies quote higher fees for high risk work, insurance goes up, Parramatta stadium increase fees, media creates a story, etc etc. And don't tell me it doesn't happen because it does. Again I'm not necessarily saying this is the case either.

     

    The part I highlighted is just utter bullshit and crap. The W league match was ALL HARD CORE RBB supporters.

    You just dont get randoms or blow ins going to the W-league matches. There was what a total of 300-500 people at the home end.

    You might not know everyone but I guarantee you know the guy who ripped the flair or smokie and I bet he was hardcore RBB.

    Let me guess you were the first one going up to him trying to stop him lighting it as well or trying to put it out. GTFO

     

    Blow ins dont come in just to rip flairs or smokies. Its hard core RBB....................For the W-league match you cant tell me otherwise.

    Your comment is a joke and our club has to wear it. Your in total denial.

     

    This is one of the reasons that the wristbands wont work. You are about to hand over the wristbands to people to look after our home end,

    when they are the very ones causing all the problems in the first place. Just f*cking man up and stop doing sh*t to f*ck it up for the rest of us.

    I am ready to move on, but people here are being delusional and are in denial.

     

    a few pages ago someone suggested getting ffa and the grounds to approve flares for certain people eg capos in safe and

    controlled environment, how realistic is this?

    I can't believe some people here with their infatuation with flares. It will never happen. It is illegal. How stupid are some people. It's the ignoramuses with these juvenile thoughts which has put us in this predicament in the first place. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR FLARES AT WANDERLAND, NOT NOW NOT EVER!

    CaptGrumpy

    Posted

    Shame on the FFA , punish the RBB for making a insane atmosphere , they should be thanking us , we gave the HAL a good name!!!!!! take away our drums n sh't , use (FFA) aren't proving nothing , the only thing use are proving is how dumb use are..... It weren't take long for the ppl to realize , what a dumb move use made..... N what's with all the police that is gonna be at the game , was there some big brawl that happen or something , what ppl singing n jumping up n down is a problem now , what a farkn joke!!!!

     

    Yep shame on the FFA for allowing us to be punished for doing the wrong thing.  How dare they?  Or are you suggesting that no one has done anything wrong?

     

    When will ppl get this into their heads that the RBB brought this onto themselves, and now, like big boys and girls, we have to take some damn responsibility for our actions.  It's not difficult to get your head around it if you try. 

    Ian

    Posted

     

     

    a few pages ago someone suggested getting ffa and the grounds to approve flares for certain people eg capos in safe and

    controlled environment, how realistic is this?

     

    We've raised this at numerous meetings and even talked about paying for boys to get pyrotechnics licenses, unfortunately its not realistic for the moment.

     

    We just have to work on our behaviour, I know this is ****ed up and I hate to be telling people to stop doing their thing because I think flares add to the atmosphere. But we can't risk everything (literally everything that the RBB has built) for a few flares.

     

     

     

    Wow Thanks for your reply Ian looks like u guys have spent time on this already.

     

    Btw u seem a little calmer today lol

    a few pages ago someone suggested getting ffa and the grounds to approve flares for certain people eg capos in safe and

    controlled environment, how realistic is this?

     

    LOL, why are flares that important? we cant live without them? i know i can!

    man i love them balks i've seen how they work in Europe when its controlled and are legal, but we just have to go without judging by what Ian just said otherwise we lose more important things.

     

    I really hope we come on top of this and the continually growth of RBB doesn’t stop.

     

     

    haha yeah I am calmer. We had to get the message across loud and clear and trust me, the club and other authorities have been reading what has been written in this thread and the response from everyone on here has helped (that includes me cracking the shits haha). If we get drums and megaphone on Australia Day it will be because of this thread.

    1988banana

    Posted

    Apart from flares , I can't really see what the problem is , swearing in chants , I'm pretty sure we only have one chant that has one swear work in it , ( omg I feel like I'm school again sayin swear work lol ) an we barely even use that chant , so wtf is the problem , harden the fu&k up its a piss weak reason to take away the rbb stuff , but hell take it , take it all , sleep with it , show the ppl what c; unts use are...

    CaptGrumpy

    Posted

     

    a few pages ago someone suggested getting ffa and the grounds to approve flares for certain people eg capos in safe and

    controlled environment, how realistic is this?

     

    We've raised this at numerous meetings and even talked about paying for boys to get pyrotechnics licenses, unfortunately its not realistic for the moment.

     

    We just have to work on our behaviour, I know this is ****ed up and I hate to be telling people to stop doing their thing because I think flares add to the atmosphere. But we can't risk everything (literally everything that the RBB has built) for a few flares.

     

    This is just a thing that you have realise that right now the RBB is not in a strong bargaining position.  If our behaviour had been spotless every rpound then you can try to negotiate this kind of thing but when you have the record we have had over the last month or 2, you can't try to get more favours, when they are looking to take them away.  And the more issues we have the longer it will take for this kind of thing to be seriously considered.  I do not think that you could get it on the table for serious consideration for at least a year now.

    Suislide

    Posted

    I can't believe some people here with their infatuation with flares. It will never happen. It is illegal. How stupid are some people. It's the ignoramuses with these juvenile thoughts which has put us in this predicament in the first place. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR FLARES AT WANDERLAND, NOT NOW NOT EVER!

     

    Bit of an overreaction there mate he was asking a legitimate question

    CaptGrumpy

    Posted (edited)

    Apart from flares , I can't really see what the problem is , swearing in chants , I'm pretty sure we only have one chant that has one swear work in it , ( omg I feel like I'm school again sayin swear work lol ) an we barely even use that chant , so wtf is the problem , harden the fu&k up its a piss weak reason to take away the rbb stuff , but hell take it , take it all , sleep with it , show the ppl what c; unts use are...

     

    Sorry who are you to tell me that? 

     

    Maybe you should have spent a bit more time at school learning what "use" means.

    Edited by CaptGrumpy
    1988banana

    Posted

     

    Shame on the FFA , punish the RBB for making a insane atmosphere , they should be thanking us , we gave the HAL a good name!!!!!! take away our drums n sh't , use (FFA) aren't proving nothing , the only thing use are proving is how dumb use are..... It weren't take long for the ppl to realize , what a dumb move use made..... N what's with all the police that is gonna be at the game , was there some big brawl that happen or something , what ppl singing n jumping up n down is a problem now , what a farkn joke!!!!

     Yep shame on the FFA for allowing us to be punished for doing the wrong thing.  How dare they?  Or are you suggesting that no one has done anything wrong? When will ppl get this into their heads that the RBB brought this onto themselves, and now, like big boys and girls, we have to take some damn responsibility for our actions.  It's not difficult to get your head around it if you try. 

    Ok apart from flares what have we done wrong , Yeh I get the whole flare thing it will happen here , but come tell me what have the ppl done wrong

    Balkanite

    Posted

    can we not argue and turn into smurfs please kk thnx

    westofcentre

    Posted

    This is so stupid on so many levels. Firstly what do drums and tifos have to do with anti social behaviour. Did our drummer smuggle in 6 flares in his drum?

     

    How does banning the things that make an atmosphere great weed out te minority of trouble makers? Idiots will still smuggle in flares, while we destroy our own home end atmosphere and undermine the very atmosphere that is drawing people to our game.

     

    Again - how is banning these things going to help is self police? It's not!!! How is banning these things going to stop idiots ruining it for everyone? It won't!

     

    Parra home end has no roof! Without the drum we lose our heartbeat. And what will happen - I will tell you. 99% of people will be well behaved and one idiot ruins it and the ban continues indefinitely! Then we get privileges back again and lose them again through one moment of stupidity.

     

    This is not the way of solving these issues. It only destroys the club.

    UltrasRBB

    Posted

     

     

     

     

    How can we seriously control 2000 ppl. Some say that the RBB hide behind non core members and the few bad apples etc, yet I was at the w-league match and saw heaps of people I had never seen before. How easy is it for any party to organise an individual to go into the RBB and rip a flare or smokie. Security companies quote higher fees for high risk work, insurance goes up, Parramatta stadium increase fees, media creates a story, etc etc. And don't tell me it doesn't happen because it does. Again I'm not necessarily saying this is the case either.

     

    The part I highlighted is just utter bullshit and crap. The W league match was ALL HARD CORE RBB supporters.

    You just dont get randoms or blow ins going to the W-league matches. There was what a total of 300-500 people at the home end.

    You might not know everyone but I guarantee you know the guy who ripped the flair or smokie and I bet he was hardcore RBB.

    Let me guess you were the first one going up to him trying to stop him lighting it as well or trying to put it out. GTFO

     

    Blow ins dont come in just to rip flairs or smokies. Its hard core RBB....................For the W-league match you cant tell me otherwise.

    Your comment is a joke and our club has to wear it. Your in total denial.

     

    This is one of the reasons that the wristbands wont work. You are about to hand over the wristbands to people to look after our home end,

    when they are the very ones causing all the problems in the first place. Just f*cking man up and stop doing sh*t to f*ck it up for the rest of us.

    I am ready to move on, but people here are being delusional and are in denial.

     

     

     

    a few pages ago someone suggested getting ffa and the grounds to approve flares for certain people eg capos in safe and

    controlled environment, how realistic is this?

    I can't believe some people here with their infatuation with flares. It will never happen. It is illegal. How stupid are some people. It's the ignoramuses with these juvenile thoughts which has put us in this predicament in the first place. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR FLARES AT WANDERLAND, NOT NOW NOT EVER!

     

     

     

    now tell me how you really feel.

    CaptGrumpy

    Posted

     

     

    Shame on the FFA , punish the RBB for making a insane atmosphere , they should be thanking us , we gave the HAL a good name!!!!!! take away our drums n sh't , use (FFA) aren't proving nothing , the only thing use are proving is how dumb use are..... It weren't take long for the ppl to realize , what a dumb move use made..... N what's with all the police that is gonna be at the game , was there some big brawl that happen or something , what ppl singing n jumping up n down is a problem now , what a farkn joke!!!!

     Yep shame on the FFA for allowing us to be punished for doing the wrong thing.  How dare they?  Or are you suggesting that no one has done anything wrong? When will ppl get this into their heads that the RBB brought this onto themselves, and now, like big boys and girls, we have to take some damn responsibility for our actions.  It's not difficult to get your head around it if you try. 

    Ok apart from flares what have we done wrong , Yeh I get the whole flare thing it will happen here , but come tell me what have the ppl done wrong

     

    Bottles thrown on the field

    Bottles with piss in them

    Throwing shoes at players

    Let me elaborate on flares:

    - flares lit - illegal

    - flares thrown - dumb and dangerous

    - flares thrown near our own ball kids who are volunteering and are themselves foundation members - whoever threw it was lucky they weren't near the kids dad who was in the terrace with me and was mighty pissed off.

    - flares under a tifo - even dumber and more dangerous

    - 25 flares lit on a total fire ban day when half the state is ablaze with fires

     

    Do you need another reason?

     

    Right from day one everyone has known these things to be wrong, but some dumbasses have said stuff like "what are the FFA gunna do? Fine themselves?" - well now those dumbasses know what the FFA is gunna do.  Thank you to those who can't enjoy a football match without lighting a flare or smokie - thank you to those who thought it was  funny to piss in a bottle and throw it onto the field.

     

    I have said it before.  The general football goer will turn off from the club, and the RBB will be to blame fi this doesn't change.  I said it in a previous post that the RBB has the power to attract and turn away fans by it's actions.  It's time that the opportunity is grasped without all the other crap, and the RBB shows it's true colours and passion and support the club instead of hurting it. 

    dmixtaaa

    Posted

     

    How can we seriously control 2000 ppl. Some say that the RBB hide behind non core members and the few bad apples etc, yet I was at the w-league match and saw heaps of people I had never seen before. How easy is it for any party to organise an individual to go into the RBB and rip a flare or smokie. Security companies quote higher fees for high risk work, insurance goes up, Parramatta stadium increase fees, media creates a story, etc etc. And don't tell me it doesn't happen because it does. Again I'm not necessarily saying this is the case either.

     

    The part I highlighted is just utter bullshit and crap. The W league match was ALL HARD CORE RBB supporters.

    You just dont get randoms or blow ins going to the W-league matches. There was what a total of 300-500 people at the home end.

    You might not know everyone but I guarantee you know the guy who ripped the flair or smokie and I bet he was hardcore RBB.

    Let me guess you were the first one going up to him trying to stop him lighting it as well or trying to put it out. GTFO

     

    Blow ins dont come in just to rip flairs or smokies. Its hard core RBB....................For the W-league match you cant tell me otherwise.

    Your comment is a joke and our club has to wear it. Your in total denial.

     

    This is one of the reasons that the wristbands wont work. You are about to hand over the wristbands to people to look after our home end,

    when they are the very ones causing all the problems in the first place. Just f*cking man up and stop doing sh*t to f*ck it up for the rest of us.

    I am ready to move on, but people here are being delusional and are in denial.

    Dukes I couldn't agree with you more. You only have to read the thread about said W League game and see who the people are who have tiny peckers and need to compensate by lighting flares. You reap what you sew. For those man enough to accept the punishment, we can move forward. The rest in denial are the twits who need to grow up and stop f@#king it up for everyone else.

    CaptGrumpy

    Posted

    This is so stupid on so many levels. Firstly what do drums and tifos have to do with anti social behaviour. Did our drummer smuggle in 6 flares in his drum?

     

    How does banning the things that make an atmosphere great weed out te minority of trouble makers? Idiots will still smuggle in flares, while we destroy our own home end atmosphere and undermine the very atmosphere that is drawing people to our game.

     

    Again - how is banning these things going to help is self police? It's not!!! How is banning these things going to stop idiots ruining it for everyone? It won't!

     

    Parra home end has no roof! Without the drum we lose our heartbeat. And what will happen - I will tell you. 99% of people will be well behaved and one idiot ruins it and the ban continues indefinitely! Then we get privileges back again and lose them again through one moment of stupidity.

     

    This is not the way of solving these issues. It only destroys the club.

     

    What they are doing is hurting the majority in the hope that the peer pressure will stop the dumb actions of the individuals (if that's what they are).  There is a culture of no snitching, so no one will turn anyone in - so this leads them with this option.  Punish the whole until the one gets the message. 

     

    If you were in their shoes what would you do?

    1988banana

    Posted

     

    Apart from flares , I can't really see what the problem is , swearing in chants , I'm pretty sure we only have one chant that has one swear work in it , ( omg I feel like I'm school again sayin swear work lol ) an we barely even use that chant , so wtf is the problem , harden the fu&k up its a piss weak reason to take away the rbb stuff , but hell take it , take it all , sleep with it , show the ppl what c; unts use are...

     Sorry who are you to tell me that?  Maybe you should have spent a bit more time at school learning what "use" means.

    I'm 1988banana we can meet up no problem n talk like man , I finish work at 3pm , we can talk all night brother about this bullsh;t , so you can me what the problem

    CaptGrumpy

    Posted

     

     

    Apart from flares , I can't really see what the problem is , swearing in chants , I'm pretty sure we only have one chant that has one swear work in it , ( omg I feel like I'm school again sayin swear work lol ) an we barely even use that chant , so wtf is the problem , harden the fu&k up its a piss weak reason to take away the rbb stuff , but hell take it , take it all , sleep with it , show the ppl what c; unts use are...

     Sorry who are you to tell me that?  Maybe you should have spent a bit more time at school learning what "use" means.

    I'm 1988banana we can meet up no problem n talk like man , I finish work at 3pm , we can talk all night brother about this bullsh;t , so you can me what the problem

    A bit of respect is all I ask....

    Suislide

    Posted

    Important to realise that this isn't the worst possible outcome. It could very easily get worse for us if we **** this up.

     

    The club want us to self police, it has been said numerous times. It really is irrelevant whether it is core, randoms or otherwise causing problems. Self policing means being responsible for what goes on in our own end. If flares are going off, bottles are being thrown and moshing is breaking seats than we are not doing it properly.

     

    This is the first step following our failure to police properly. But if this doesn't work then sure as **** there will be headkicking cops and seccies sent in to stop it. They will not risk the stadium agreements and the cops will not let public displays of illegal behaviour slide. Active support has been dismantled in this country numerous times, we all know this, and they will do it to us if we don't get our **** together.

     

     

     

    Also boys (the previous few posts), mack has already asked that you keep your personal bitching and moaning out of this thread. Keep it constructive and everyone is happy

    Pistola

    Posted

    You boys really have trouble reading. I was simply posing the logistical nightmare it is to manage the home end.

     

    Like really boys, I love the look of skydiving, running the bulls in Spain seems like a hell of an experience, swimming with great whites, backpacking the world for years is a dream. These are all things I think are awesome but won't do because of the consequences they have. Same goes with flares. Get off your semantic high horse and look at the pragmatics in people points.

    Suislide

    Posted

    It may be a nightmare but if we say "**** it, it's too hard" then the cops and seccies will police it for us.

    1988banana

    Posted

    So captgrump , so over a couple of bottles n a shoe , you have a ***** cry n take all our sh;t away n that ball boy wasnt even here that flare that some idiot throw on the field , so stop makin it sound like he got hit by it , the bottle thing was a one off n I do believe they were randoms throwing them on the field , cos I remember that night no1 was happy about what happen , so i still find it a piss weak reason to take away our sh; t , really really piss weak

    Pistola

    Posted

    Not what I'm saying...just trying to provide more information/perspective.

    GunnerWanderer

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    How can we seriously control 2000 ppl. Some say that the RBB hide behind non core members and the few bad apples etc, yet I was at the w-league match and saw heaps of people I had never seen before. How easy is it for any party to organise an individual to go into the RBB and rip a flare or smokie. Security companies quote higher fees for high risk work, insurance goes up, Parramatta stadium increase fees, media creates a story, etc etc. And don't tell me it doesn't happen because it does. Again I'm not necessarily saying this is the case either.

     

    The part I highlighted is just utter bullshit and crap. The W league match was ALL HARD CORE RBB supporters.

    You just dont get randoms or blow ins going to the W-league matches. There was what a total of 300-500 people at the home end.

    You might not know everyone but I guarantee you know the guy who ripped the flair or smokie and I bet he was hardcore RBB.

    Let me guess you were the first one going up to him trying to stop him lighting it as well or trying to put it out. GTFO

    Interesting point. I was at Campbelltown with my 4 year old daughter and 7 year old son. I was at the front row when the penalty goal was scored and for about the last 20 minutes of the game. When the last flare was let off I was given pre warning as individual advised that it was about to go off and obviously was mindful of my kids safety. 

     

    So in this situation do you believe I should have done my best to say no enough is enough. I am not privy to details of who is who in the RBB so couldnt tell you if he was ;core RBB'

    Generally I have up to 6-10 mates with me and obviously sit and socialise at the Woolie pre game with friends and sit with them at the stadium - I dont really meet new people I think our trip to Melbourne will be a good chance to do so.

     

    So moving forward what's the advice for people like me who confront such situation? (should it arise) I am interested in only making sure I do what's best for RBB and the club

    CaptGrumpy

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    So captgrump , so over a couple of bottles n a shoe , you have a ***** cry n take all our sh;t away n that ball boy wasnt even here that flare that some idiot throw on the field , so stop makin it sound like he got hit by it , the bottle thing was a one off n I do believe they were randoms throwing them on the field , cos I remember that night no1 was happy about what happen , so i still find it a piss weak reason to take away our sh; t , really really piss weak

     

    Never said he got hit.

     

    So how close is it OK to throw a flare near a kid?    What is the rule that everyone will say it's OK and stick by it?

     

    What if it was your kid?   Does that change things?

     

    What is OK to throw onto the field?  1 shoe is OK?  Bottles are OK as long as it is only every 10th game?  What if the bottles have piss in them  are they allowed but less often?

     

    Where is the line Banana?  Serious question.  Do you wait until someone is hurt?  What if that flare thrown does hit a ball kid and he becomes scared for life with burns?  Is that the time that we all start to take this seriously?  Isn't it too late then?  So where is the line?  Whats the magic solution that you have to fix this issue?

     

    Oh and I'm not the one you should be pissed off at.  I haven't done any of the stuff that has brought this onto the RBB, and I am not the one who is in authority who has taken the priveleges away.  I am a foundation member, just like you.  I have been to every game and shouted a loud as any.  I have spread the word of the Wanderers like anyone.  I have put my hard earned $ on the table and bought season tickets and merchandise.  

     

    Don't get pissed of at me for agreeing with them.

    westofcentre

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    This is so stupid on so many levels. Firstly what do drums and tifos have to do with anti social behaviour. Did our drummer smuggle in 6 flares in his drum?

     

    How does banning the things that make an atmosphere great weed out te minority of trouble makers? Idiots will still smuggle in flares, while we destroy our own home end atmosphere and undermine the very atmosphere that is drawing people to our game.

     

    Again - how is banning these things going to help is self police? It's not!!! How is banning these things going to stop idiots ruining it for everyone? It won't!

     

    Parra home end has no roof! Without the drum we lose our heartbeat. And what will happen - I will tell you. 99% of people will be well behaved and one idiot ruins it and the ban continues indefinitely! Then we get privileges back again and lose them again through one moment of stupidity.

     

    This is not the way of solving these issues. It only destroys the club.

     

    What they are doing is hurting the majority in the hope that the peer pressure will stop the dumb actions of the individuals (if that's what they are).  There is a culture of no snitching, so no one will turn anyone in - so this leads them with this option.  Punish the whole until the one gets the message. 

     

    If you were in their shoes what would yo

     

    And this is the problem. The majority are been punished for the acts of a few. This is not fair and should not be stood for. 

     

    I cannot in good conscious support an action that will do nothing at all to stop the problem. Idiots that do this will sneak in sooner or later and then what? The majority will get punished again. The actions will serve to do nothing in the long run. And supporting it, although with best intentions will damage the club.

     

    Self policing is a good measure, there is enough security and cameras around to pin point a person who farts in the wrong direction. Take my word for it I know the level of security at Parra Stadium. This is just about bringing the RBB to its knees. It will not solve anything and only hurt the club. 




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