Important Message To RBB & All WSW Supporters

Just on the matter of perceived core RBB etc, I started going to the Woolie without knowing anyone. Introduced myself, was there for meetings where as a stranger I was welcomed to put an opinion forward, when asked to hold TIFO's: I did, when marshalls where needed: I volunteered, when asked to miss the march to secure Bay56: I did, every game I sing for roughly 110mins (pre-game & post-game), I have no idea who the so called core members are nor do I care. I know who the same people are every week, how hard they work and how much we all love the wanderers. Some people are running their mouths here with little to no real understanding of what we are doing here, celebrating football & Western Sydney.

 

Whatever it takes is what we will do. If your worried about not getting a wristband then your here for the wrong reasons. I'll gladly sit wherever I can and sing and celebrate from bay 55 to bay 21. It's irrelevant.

 

Essentially what I'm trying to say is that we are all "core RBB". Be a capo, encourage and educate those around you. Volunteer, say hello. You be the image you want the RBB to be. Your not morons, know your place and the universe will take care of the rest.

Top post mate couldn't agree more. I couldn't add anything to it. This is exactly the attitude we should all be taking moving forward.

Just another concern i'd like to raise is the no tolerance towards 'anti-social behaviour' this seems like an incredibly loose and general term that can be twisted whichever way is needed. I fully understand why bottle throwing let alone ones filled with piss needs to be stamped out. The RBB needs to take responsibility but at the same time stand it's ground and not just bend over to demands like no 'anti-social behaviour'.

 

 

 

Benched,

 

What was specifically referred to in the meeting when the topic of "Sneaky tifo’s such as confetti displays..."?

 

I get the reason behind receipt rolls and streamers (I didn't at the time and though how f**ng great it looked vs NEW) - they can/do become projectiles similar to the bottles, etc and hence why not allowed.

 

But confetti displays? The top section of Bay 5 (the ones you see on TV when we score at home games) will be trully cut up by this (ready my 9 and 11 year olds + the two little girls in front of us and the few people behind us getting into the spirit....

The receipt rolls for the Jets game was referred to as the "sneaky tifo".

Kids in bay 5 with a bit of confetti won't be an issue, unless those kids also like to rip flares and smokies that might ignite the confetti.

 

Guys, girls (and all those cove hermaphrodites reading along); There are two main points I want everyone to understand.

 

1. The decision regarding tifos, drums, megas etc. was made by the stadium and police. The club and FFA met with us to discuss ways for the RBB to regain our privileges because they value what we bring to the league. If we are able to stand united and commit that we will all do our bit then we have a chance (don't ask me for odds) of being able to use our drums and megas at the Heart game. We cannot say strongly enough how much we fought just to have that chance. "How can we make sure we have drums & megas on oz day" was the issue that dominated a majority of the meeting. This thread is not the place for arguments (debate is of course always welcome) and it is especially not the place for spam or being stupid. I ask the mods to mod-hammer on anything off topic. Before anyone posts, please stop and ask yourself "am I contributing to the discussion here?", and if the answer is no, go post on another topic.

 

If the FFA (Wanderers) have a contract with the Parramatta Trust (or other body) for the use of the stadium then shouldnt the FFA have included relevant clauses to ensure that the use of tifos, drums and other legal paraphernalia, with appropriate constraints, is able to be used as a right and not a privilege?

 

Surely active support for any club is something they strive to achieve and if that is the case why wouldnt they ensure appropriate contractural support?

 

So the questions is, does the contract between FFA and Parramatta Trust (or other) have appropriate clauses to ensure active support "stuff" is covered? If it doesnt then why doesnt it?

 

If it is not there then it seems it would be an oversight on the part of the FFA and is something that should be included in future reviews.

 

The FFA don't get to dictate the terms of the agreement. While there were negotiations in regards to payments/costings/branding and so on, the stadium (owned by the Government) will have control over what goes on in the stadium in regards to things like instruments and flags. It is up to WSW/FFA to get the stadium to agree to relax their contract and rules for the club. Not the other way around. It's that simple.

 

Those in the RBB who didn't realise this despite multiple people telling them exactly what would happen, now can see that ripping flares in every other match will mean everything else the RBB does is at risk.

Perhaps they dont get to dictate all the terms, but they did choose to sign the agreement. Do you think the government would walk away from a million+ dollar multi year agreement because FFA wanted to include clauses that said drums and flags (with appropriate constraints) must be allowed?

I think you might be over estimating the governments position. I would have loved to have seen that in the paper, "NSW government with decreasing revenues refused to sign a contract for Wanderers because they wouldnt let people wave flags.."

Sure it is only one aspect of the overall issue that is being discussed and perhaps a minor one, but it is interesting in how FFA are poistioning themselves and how we seem to have accepted it. Perhaps others know more of the detail......

I also want to point out the comment earlier in the thread about those in the backyard until 2am doing things that not many people would. This really hits home with me because of this hard work a greater audience now has the match day experience that we have.

I for one am extremely grateful for people as such who don't know get just reward for their hard work. 

The responsibility of us all now is to look for guidance to those who have built what we take for granted.

Seriously who cares if you miss a few games in the main bay if it is the greater good for the RBB and club. If the wrists bands are a suggested trial, try it and see what happens. Aren't we all on this forum because we have a vested interest in making the club as big as it can be. 

Is ones life going to be severely impacted if they have to sit one bay to the left?

If you really love this club and want to to take the best path forward stop the complaining and ignore your personal needs for the greater ambition for the club.

Can't wait to Australia day it's going to be remembered the day the RBB showed the nation how loud a few thousand people can be. Bay 50 whatever I'll be there singing my lungs out and telling those without shouting distance to do the same.

The wrist bands idea could be extended even further as it addresses at least two of the key issues; anonymity and identification. By having known people with the bands you know who everyone is and "if" some muppet does something stupid it wont take long to identify them.

Why not require everyone in the terrace to have some sort of ID as part of the membership that they have to validate to get entry. Then put up some surveillance camers that point at that end of the stadium, as most stadiums in the world do. That way you know who everyone is there and if they **** up you have them on video which you can then check. You wont need a stack of security gaurds standing there trying to make guesses or make blanket decisions that affect everyones match day experience. If you cant see who specifically did something, and if no one deals with it then just ban the X number of people standing around the area. Wont take long before you find the specific people in question or the passive bystanders who are arguably just as culpable.

Based on what the scoreboard used to be looked like I wouldnt be surprised if the stadium cameras are black and white recording to VHS.

@Whoops - As valid as your points and concerns may be we can only play the cards we are dealt. FFA vs Stadia is not the key issue here nor is it one we are currently in a position to influence. (Key word: Currently!) As far as this season ges e are all bound by the FFA terms of entry, but I believe that there is a strong case for fans of all teams in the league to unite and lobby to have those terms amended. We have not taken anything lying down.

Is ones life going to be severely impacted if they have to sit one bay to the left?

No, RBB in due time will be WHOLE Northern Terrace. Everyone there chant, dance, sing and celebrate in unison, shoulder to shoulder as one.

There are few around me on Bay 66 already started picking up RBB chants and singing along. Even little kids around us clap and sing too.

Look at the end of the day its a sh*t way to end the week but these are the cards weve been dealt and to be honest, I for one don't want to be standing shoulder to shoulder with a goose who thinks its ok to throw a bottle of piss on the field. Lets think about the bigger picture of what this could achieve, by stamping out this sort of rubbish the RBB could secure its long term future as the #1 supporter base in the country. In the process throwing it in the face of the cove who crumbled into a steaming heap when similar sort of heat was put on them a few years ago...

 

 

 

 

Benched,

 

What was specifically referred to in the meeting when the topic of "Sneaky tifo’s such as confetti displays..."?

 

I get the reason behind receipt rolls and streamers (I didn't at the time and though how f**ng great it looked vs NEW) - they can/do become projectiles similar to the bottles, etc and hence why not allowed.

 

But confetti displays? The top section of Bay 5 (the ones you see on TV when we score at home games) will be trully cut up by this (ready my 9 and 11 year olds + the two little girls in front of us and the few people behind us getting into the spirit....

The receipt rolls for the Jets game was referred to as the "sneaky tifo".

Kids in bay 5 with a bit of confetti won't be an issue, unless those kids also like to rip flares and smokies that might ignite the confetti.

 

Guys, girls (and all those cove hermaphrodites reading along); There are two main points I want everyone to understand.

 

1. The decision regarding tifos, drums, megas etc. was made by the stadium and police. The club and FFA met with us to discuss ways for the RBB to regain our privileges because they value what we bring to the league. If we are able to stand united and commit that we will all do our bit then we have a chance (don't ask me for odds) of being able to use our drums and megas at the Heart game. We cannot say strongly enough how much we fought just to have that chance. "How can we make sure we have drums & megas on oz day" was the issue that dominated a majority of the meeting. This thread is not the place for arguments (debate is of course always welcome) and it is especially not the place for spam or being stupid. I ask the mods to mod-hammer on anything off topic. Before anyone posts, please stop and ask yourself "am I contributing to the discussion here?", and if the answer is no, go post on another topic.

 

If the FFA (Wanderers) have a contract with the Parramatta Trust (or other body) for the use of the stadium then shouldnt the FFA have included relevant clauses to ensure that the use of tifos, drums and other legal paraphernalia, with appropriate constraints, is able to be used as a right and not a privilege?

 

Surely active support for any club is something they strive to achieve and if that is the case why wouldnt they ensure appropriate contractural support?

 

So the questions is, does the contract between FFA and Parramatta Trust (or other) have appropriate clauses to ensure active support "stuff" is covered? If it doesnt then why doesnt it?

 

If it is not there then it seems it would be an oversight on the part of the FFA and is something that should be included in future reviews.

 

The FFA don't get to dictate the terms of the agreement. While there were negotiations in regards to payments/costings/branding and so on, the stadium (owned by the Government) will have control over what goes on in the stadium in regards to things like instruments and flags. It is up to WSW/FFA to get the stadium to agree to relax their contract and rules for the club. Not the other way around. It's that simple.

 

Those in the RBB who didn't realise this despite multiple people telling them exactly what would happen, now can see that ripping flares in every other match will mean everything else the RBB does is at risk.

 

Perhaps they dont get to dictate all the terms, but they did choose to sign the agreement. Do you think the government would walk away from a million+ dollar multi year agreement because FFA wanted to include clauses that said drums and flags (with appropriate constraints) must be allowed?

 

I think you might be over estimating the governments position. I would have loved to have seen that in the paper, "NSW government with decreasing revenues refused to sign a contract for Wanderers because they wouldnt let people wave flags.."

 

Sure it is only one aspect of the overall issue that is being discussed and perhaps a minor one, but it is interesting in how FFA are positioning themselves and how we seem to have accepted it. Perhaps others know more of the detail......

Do you think the Government cares? The ones who keep pouring money into NRL and AFL but give next to nothing to Football? It would be a non-story. No newspaper would bother writing a story like that.

The Government would say 'Fine, go to ANZ where no-one wants you to go and see if they let you put in a clause about drums and flags'. The Government would have been happy if we moved to ANZ. Why? Because it's ANZ that makes their backers money, not going to Parra. Governments don't care about people, they care about their business interests.

Shame on the FFA , punish the RBB for making a insane atmosphere , they should be thanking us , we gave the HAL a good name!!!!!! take away our drums n sh't , use (FFA) aren't proving nothing , the only thing use are proving is how dumb use are..... It weren't take long for the ppl to realize , what a dumb move use made..... N what's with all the police that is gonna be at the game , was there some big brawl that happen or something , what ppl singing n jumping up n down is a problem now , what a farkn joke!!!!

@Whoops - As valid as your points and concerns may be we can only play the cards we are dealt. FFA vs Stadia is not the key issue here nor is it one we are currently in a position to influence. (Key word: Currently!) As far as this season ges e are all bound by the FFA terms of entry, but I believe that there is a strong case for fans of all teams in the league to unite and lobby to have those terms amended. We have not taken anything lying down.

Your right that there is not much that can be done about it now and perhaps not anytime soon. The focus of course should be on the **** behaviour of a few and I am not sure there is any debate about that.

If somewhere down the track you meet with the FFA and have a few minutes to kill, can you ask them if they ever tried to include those elements in the contract and whether or not the trust/government rejected it? I cant help but be curious...

Hopefully everyone supports the work you and others are doing so that this blows over sooner rather than later!

No one should be blaming the FFA, that's just biting the hand that feeds. With our passion and volume, we can not only regain the privelieges but piss off the Parra stadium trust and pigs in ways that they can't whinge about/do anything. It's obviously they don't like us but too bad, we're here to stay. Flares give them the ammo to suppress us but not PROPER PASSION (that is non-existent in the National Eggball League)

Just on the matter of perceived core RBB etc, I started going to the Woolie without knowing anyone. Introduced myself, was there for meetings where as a stranger I was welcomed to put an opinion forward, when asked to hold TIFO's: I did, when marshalls where needed: I volunteered, when asked to miss the march to secure Bay56: I did, every game I sing for roughly 110mins (pre-game & post-game), I have no idea who the so called core members are nor do I care. I know who the same people are every week, how hard they work and how much we all love the wanderers. Some people are running their mouths here with little to no real understanding of what we are doing here, celebrating football & Western Sydney.Whatever it takes is what we will do. If your worried about not getting a wristband then your here for the wrong reasons. I'll gladly sit wherever I can and sing and celebrate from bay 55 to bay 21. It's irrelevant.Essentially what I'm trying to say is that we are all "core RBB". Be a capo, encourage and educate those around you. Volunteer, say hello. You be the image you want the RBB to be. Your not morons, know your place and the universe will take care of the rest.

Top post mate couldn't agree more. I couldn't add anything to it. This is exactly the attitude we should all be taking moving forward.

Here...here.

Hey, just wanted to add my 2c, My family and I are members in Bay 49 in the western terrace. We used to go to sydney FC games and while we enjoyed the football it was never an experience like with the wanderers and the RBB. 

The march up church St is amazing and something my kids never want to miss. Watching from the side lines as the RBB in the northern terrace grows, is phenomenal. My kids love it and chant along. Every week my daughter asks "dad whats RBB? why do they yell RBB!"

Thinking back to the CCM game and the Adelaide game, when both Eastern then Western grandstands got asked "Who Do We Sing For?" and responded emphatically...that makes my spine tingle just thinking about it. This is what the RBB does well and this is what the football media are so excited about when they praise our active support. The RBB have created an atmosphere thats easy to get involved in and invited us (supposedly the prawn sandwich brigade in the good seats) to contribute, and because the RBB have been so good at it, the response was amazing.

However, these same people who joined the RBB in "We Sing For Wanderers" shook there heads and booed when the bottles came raining down on Matt Ryan not more than 5 minutes later. From where I was sitting the majority did come from back of Bays 55 and 57 but that whole North terrace is labelled RBB whether the RBB likes that or not. This is why the apparent 'heavy handed' approach is being taken.

The FFA and the club both know that the RBB reps are going to be agreeable on the major items like no flares etc when they meet, but they also know there is only so much self policing they can do. Asking a dozen or so guys to control potentially 2000 passionate football fans and a few idiots is never going to work. There is always going to be ring ins and idiots. However, by removing lots of privileges, more than just the representatives at the meeting get the message. Hopefully then its more than just the reps doing the policing. Additionally, The RBB has built great momentum, so its even more in the interests of the FFA and the club to ensure that that momentum takes in the direction we want to go. Any momentum away from that course will land us in a pretty bad place pretty quickly. 

So lets stick to what we do best, Shoulder to shoulder, together we sing. Thats the best part of the active support the RBB has provided us so far, focus on that for a few weeks and you'll win back the hearts of the club the FFA the police the stadium and most importantly, your fellow wanderer supporters. 

 

Shame on the FFA , punish the RBB for making a insane atmosphere , they should be thanking us , we gave the HAL a good name!!!!!! take away our drums n sh't , use (FFA) aren't proving nothing , the only thing use are proving is how dumb use are..... It weren't take long for the ppl to realize , what a dumb move use made..... N what's with all the police that is gonna be at the game , was there some big brawl that happen or something , what ppl singing n jumping up n down is a problem now , what a farkn joke!!!!

Spot on

Guys, seriously. Learn to read. How many times does it have to be stated that the FFA and WSW are simply passing on the message from the Stadium and the Police. If anything the club and association are trying to help.

Also "Whoops" as soon as I have to identify myself in the police state fashion you described, is the same day I am never to be seen again in the A-League.

I honestly don't get what this thread or so called debate is about anymore. Ship up or ship out. I absolutely love smokies and how they look in the home end. Yet I would never use one outside a maritime emergency 1. They are too expensive 2. Fines 3. Bans 4. Possible gaol time.

Bottle throwing is the dumbest thing ever but I recall everyone to Australia vs Ghana 2010 WC. Glass bottles being thrown from a huge stadium cos Kewell got sent. I know cos I was there and I hung my head in shame that day, just like I did vs CCM. Australia was the embarresment of South Africa and from that moment on plastic replaced glass.

How can we seriously control 2000 ppl. Some say that the RBB hide behind non core members and the few bad apples etc, yet I was at the w-league match and saw heaps of people I had never seen before. How easy is it for any party to organise an individual to go into the RBB and rip a flare or smokie. Security companies quote higher fees for high risk work, insurance goes up, Parramatta stadium increase fees, media creates a story, etc etc. And don't tell me it doesn't happen because it does. Again I'm not necessarily saying this is the case either.

If you look at the bag checks, they are a joke. Now I am no fan of heavy policing or any sort of physical search on an individual but I could sneak in a gun, knives, several pyrotechnic instruments in one or two bags. I only ever bring some clothes and a bottle of water though, but always laugh at the brevity of the bag search. Biggest formality ever and nothing more.

Some debate but mainly observations and opinions.

Ok a suggestion for next season as its to late for this season.. feel free to shoot it down

Make the activebays 55/56/57 members only. Fence/barrier off 54 and 58 for tickets and general adminision or members who dont want to be in active support..

Have ushers at the entrance of the bays to check membership. Now it dont have to be allocated seating just a membership to get imto the bays.

As we grow into full support as seasons go on we can look at opening up more bays

Everyone get down to the woolpack early on the 26th, the march starts at 6,30pm so tell all your mates to come along. We want this to be the biggest one so far.

We can get butthurt about this and sit quietly for 10 minutes like the Adelaide fans (which acheived nothing), or we can be resilient and sing louder.

The response to this thread has helped us out a lot.

Just wandering, what about our fixture away from Parramatta? Flag and instruments all banned too?

^^ individual stadiums have their own rules. I will be pissed though if the cove will have tifo and drums for the derby.

How can we seriously control 2000 ppl. Some say that the RBB hide behind non core members and the few bad apples etc, yet I was at the w-league match and saw heaps of people I had never seen before. How easy is it for any party to organise an individual to go into the RBB and rip a flare or smokie. Security companies quote higher fees for high risk work, insurance goes up, Parramatta stadium increase fees, media creates a story, etc etc. And don't tell me it doesn't happen because it does. Again I'm not necessarily saying this is the case either.

The part I highlighted is just utter bullshit and crap. The W league match was ALL HARD CORE RBB supporters.

You just dont get randoms or blow ins going to the W-league matches. There was what a total of 300-500 people at the home end.

You might not know everyone but I guarantee you know the guy who ripped the flair or smokie and I bet he was hardcore RBB.

Let me guess you were the first one going up to him trying to stop him lighting it as well or trying to put it out. GTFO

Blow ins dont come in just to rip flairs or smokies. Its hard core RBB....................For the W-league match you cant tell me otherwise.

Your comment is a joke and our club has to wear it. Your in total denial.

This is one of the reasons that the wristbands wont work. You are about to hand over the wristbands to people to look after our home end,

when they are the very ones causing all the problems in the first place. Just f*cking man up and stop doing sh*t to f*ck it up for the rest of us.

I am ready to move on, but people here are being delusional and are in denial.

when you walk through the storm ....

Okay, I know this isn't our song, and I know our circumstances are much less serious - but the sentiment is right.

Just suck it up - and then move on.

We can do this.  The RBB is bigger and better than this.  The RBB can lift the roof with just their voices - and those in the stands will join you in the call/response.

And don't forget, the chants are going in the program for Oz Day.

Through the darkness and the gloom, I'm singing with you all shoulder to shoulder 100%.

We're here for the good times and the bad. RBB and WSW will always have my support.

someone should print out a thousand copies of this original post and give it to everyone on the terrace. regardless of whether or not flare lighters etc are "core rbb" i would guess that the people pissing into bottles are probably not posting on this forum. 

I'm already printing a few hundered chant sheets so if there was a code of conduct/first post sheet to print i'll bring a whole bunch of them as well.

Let's go mental and Westie Scum might need to go out of the chant sheet guys.

Before humans had musical instruments and megaphones we had voices.

The RBB were the same so get those lungs ready to be destroyed and earn back the rest.

Unfortunately i dont get to sit in the Northern due to work commitments with clients in Western stand but i sure as hell wanna see the whole active section on those that spend all their free time organising the atmosphere at games rewarded with the priveleges back.

On behalf of all of us that sit in awe and jealousy of not being in the Northern thanks to all putting in the great work... especially fronting up to discuss the case.

 

 

 

 

How can we seriously control 2000 ppl. Some say that the RBB hide behind non core members and the few bad apples etc, yet I was at the w-league match and saw heaps of people I had never seen before. How easy is it for any party to organise an individual to go into the RBB and rip a flare or smokie. Security companies quote higher fees for high risk work, insurance goes up, Parramatta stadium increase fees, media creates a story, etc etc. And don't tell me it doesn't happen because it does. Again I'm not necessarily saying this is the case either.

The part I highlighted is just utter bullshit and crap. The W league match was ALL HARD CORE RBB supporters.

You just dont get randoms or blow ins going to the W-league matches. There was what a total of 300-500 people at the home end.

You might not know everyone but I guarantee you know the guy who ripped the flair or smokie and I bet he was hardcore RBB.

Let me guess you were the first one going up to him trying to stop him lighting it as well or trying to put it out. GTFO

 

Blow ins dont come in just to rip flairs or smokies. Its hard core RBB....................For the W-league match you cant tell me otherwise.

Your comment is a joke and our club has to wear it. Your in total denial.

 

This is one of the reasons that the wristbands wont work. You are about to hand over the wristbands to people to look after our home end,

when they are the very ones causing all the problems in the first place. Just f*cking man up and stop doing sh*t to f*ck it up for the rest of us.

I am ready to move on, but people here are being delusional and are in denial.

Oh and talk to me with respect and don't you dare swear or abuse me in another post. My post is not a joke it is simply an honest look at the situation. Your an adult and just how you can control your bladder, control your tongue or in this case fingers.

 

 

 

 

How can we seriously control 2000 ppl. Some say that the RBB hide behind non core members and the few bad apples etc, yet I was at the w-league match and saw heaps of people I had never seen before. How easy is it for any party to organise an individual to go into the RBB and rip a flare or smokie. Security companies quote higher fees for high risk work, insurance goes up, Parramatta stadium increase fees, media creates a story, etc etc. And don't tell me it doesn't happen because it does. Again I'm not necessarily saying this is the case either.

The part I highlighted is just utter bullshit and crap. The W league match was ALL HARD CORE RBB supporters.

You just dont get randoms or blow ins going to the W-league matches. There was what a total of 300-500 people at the home end.

You might not know everyone but I guarantee you know the guy who ripped the flair or smokie and I bet he was hardcore RBB.

Let me guess you were the first one going up to him trying to stop him lighting it as well or trying to put it out. GTFO

 

Blow ins dont come in just to rip flairs or smokies. Its hard core RBB....................For the W-league match you cant tell me otherwise.

Your comment is a joke and our club has to wear it. Your in total denial.

 

This is one of the reasons that the wristbands wont work. You are about to hand over the wristbands to people to look after our home end,

when they are the very ones causing all the problems in the first place. Just f*cking man up and stop doing sh*t to f*ck it up for the rest of us.

I am ready to move on, but people here are being delusional and are in denial.

Notice that last line? I have presented a hypothetical argument. If your comprehension skills need assistance let me break it down for you. All I said was that I didn't know half the people there. Pointing out how hard it would be to control 2000. Mate I was in the mix and I'll be honest, I have no idea who lit one. I never saw one person rip one up. Just like I can't tell you it wasn't "core RBB", you can't name me every single individual there. All I put forward is the possibility and difficulty of controlling people in the small environment of the W-League match, so that we can look at the difficulties presented in a match for the men's team.

 

Oh and talk to me with respect and don't you dare swear or abuse me in another post. My post is not a joke it is simply an honest look at the situation. Your an adult and just how you can control your bladder, control your tongue or in this case fingers.

Sorry Pistola..............I am not accusing you of anything. Just swearing in random because I am frustrated like everyone else.

I am more frustrated that we trot the same old line out when something happens at our home end "it was the smurfs"

"it was the blow ins" or "the bandwagon supporters". We could police this if we wanted to, but we choose not to.

You cant tell me that there was one band wagon supporter at the W-league match. Thats impossible.

Without the RBB there would have been no one behind the goals. Maybe that one random would have come anyway to light a smokie or a flare. I dont think so.

I think we just need to be more honest with ourselves. The majority of these problems are within the RBB and thats the truth. To say otherwise we are in denial. If people want the TIFO's, the drums, the trumpets, then we have to stop ripping flares and doing stupid sh*t. End of discussion.

a few pages ago someone suggested getting ffa and the grounds to approve flares for certain people eg capos in safe and

controlled environment, how realistic is this?