Important Message To RBB & All WSW Supporters

Just wondering....many (perhaps even most) ppl on here say "no snitching".  But if those who are ripping flares continue to do so, and the RBB as a whole continues to be punished for those ppls actions, then when does it become OK?  When will ppl become willing to sacrifice the one for the benefit of the group?

Just wondering....many (perhaps even most) ppl on here say "no snitching".  But if those who are ripping flares continue to do so, and the RBB as a whole continues to be punished for those ppls actions, then when does it become OK?  When will ppl become willing to sacrifice the one for the benefit of the group?

lol mate we grew up in the west snitching is not part of our dna

all snitchers can phuck off to the cove.

Just wondering....many (perhaps even most) ppl on here say "no snitching".  But if those who are ripping flares continue to do so, and the RBB as a whole continues to be punished for those ppls actions, then when does it become OK?  When will ppl become willing to sacrifice the one for the benefit of the group?

Mate, I am not a fan of the snitching to authorities and probably never will be. 

I want to see the guys identified by the RBB and refused entry to the RBB area by the RBB.  No legal or other consequences, just purely and simply out of the Northern End.  If we could get the Club and Security to agree to that, then I reckon we would have it licked pretty quick.

I should add that unless the club and security agreed to the "no legal or other consequences" action in relation to the flares in exchange for expelling the culprit from the group, then it will never work.  

Take our drums away
Take our megaphones away
Take our confetti away (lol)
Take our TIFOs away 

NO matter what you take away, we still will create a better atmosphere than the Cove, honestly taking a look at some videos threes fans in the cove that stand there with their arms crossed as if there in detention or at a funeral.

Its okay boys lets do this one game at a time, hopefully no trouble at the heart game

Just wondering....many (perhaps even most) ppl on here say "no snitching".  But if those who are ripping flares continue to do so, and the RBB as a whole continues to be punished for those ppls actions, then when does it become OK?  When will ppl become willing to sacrifice the one for the benefit of the group?

CaptGrumpy.........I dont want anyone snitching. What I would like to see is this:

Someone rips a flair, the first person they need to see after they rip one is Benched, Koppite, Ian and anyone else who is involved with talking with the club. Sorry if I have missed anyone. From those guys I expect you to go up to that person and say" See those stands mate, thats where your sitting next week" or "WTF are you doing mate, flares we cant have em".

 

 

While the punishment maybe harsh, I think this also serves to stop a problem becoming too big to control in the near future and an opportunity to stand together and show how strong we as supporters of WSW are. I think the RBB and the club could come out of this better if the response by us is the right one.

 

At first reading the OP might anger some to say **** this they're killing us why bother. But **** throwing in the towel, like it has been said stand shoulder to shoulder and even if it means no drums, tifos etc we make the best atmosphere possible with what we got. At the end of the day yes we got punished but there has been a lot harsher punishments like playing behind closed doors etc etc. We will get massive respect by our own fans, other club supporters and our very own club if we become stronger and better because of this and come up with a massive positive response. Time to show we will not be stopped and will only continue to grow stronger. So make sure on oz days drums or no drums we as individuals and as a group ensure we encourage everyone to get involved start singing and showing the right behaviour.

Well said.

Ditto.

Your last rant was the bomb too grumpy

Firstly, sick of this it's not 'core' RBB stuff, the club specifically mentioned the W-league game where are the blow ins there? I don't sit right in 56 but thats mainly cause im forced to attend the games by myself due to all my friends either not liking the game or being Eurosnobs, but it's time to take responsibility. Anyone who sits in the home end is reflected as being RBB whether the supposed 'core' on here will acknowledge it or not. If **** like this continually goes down in the home end do you really think the club is going to be fine with it because that said person didn't have a bracelet on. The RBB needs to create a culture that is against this frowned upon behaviour, the club is only at its infancy and no one expected such growth. Things like this were bound to happen but sectioning off parts of the home end and acting as if its some type of exclusive night club is not the answer.

Be wary of the bracelets they create an air of elitism that will turn fans away because they will feel discouraged because they won't be seen as part of the RBB and just like that RBB will lose its welcoming atmosphere.

Also, inb4 some idiot does something stupid and just takes off the arm band.

Disclaimer: not taking anything away from all the people who work very hard and give lots of their own time and money to make such an amazing atmosphere. It' definitely doesn't go unnoticed.

Treated like school kids. FFA no idea about active support

 

Just wondering....many (perhaps even most) ppl on here say "no snitching".  But if those who are ripping flares continue to do so, and the RBB as a whole continues to be punished for those ppls actions, then when does it become OK?  When will ppl become willing to sacrifice the one for the benefit of the group?

 

Mate, I am not a fan of the snitching to authorities and probably never will be. 

 

I want to see the guys identified by the RBB and refused entry to the RBB area by the RBB.  No legal or other consequences, just purely and simply out of the Northern End.  If we could get the Club and Security to agree to that, then I reckon we would have it licked pretty quick.

 

I should add that unless the club and security agreed to the "no legal or other consequences" action in relation to the flares in exchange for expelling the culprit from the group, then it will never work.  

If this is snitching you can all throw a flare and a water bottle at me.

But do we have the balls do actually do this. I prefer this than get the  seccies or police involved.

Benched,

What was specifically referred to in the meeting when the topic of "Sneaky tifo’s such as confetti displays..."?

I get the reason behind receipt rolls and streamers (I didn't at the time and though how f**ng great it looked vs NEW) - they can/do become projectiles similar to the bottles, etc and hence why not allowed.

But confetti displays? The top section of Bay 7 (the ones you see on TV when we score at home games) will be truly cut up by this (read my 9 and 11 year olds + the two little girls in front of us and the few people behind us getting into the spirit....)

Treated like school kids. FFA no idea about active support

We did the wrong thing, what did you think would happen?

I don't like it either, but most solutions i can think of aren't much better

Benched,

 

What was specifically referred to in the meeting when the topic of "Sneaky tifo’s such as confetti displays..."?

 

I get the reason behind receipt rolls and streamers (I didn't at the time and though how f**ng great it looked vs NEW) - they can/do become projectiles similar to the bottles, etc and hence why not allowed.

 

But confetti displays? The top section of Bay 5 (the ones you see on TV when we score at home games) will be trully cut up by this (ready my 9 and 11 year olds + the two little girls in front of us and the few people behind us getting into the spirit....

I'm guessing the sneaky tifo was the toolshed one. As for the confetti, you're not in the RBB so you'll probably be ok.

not too happy about losing the drums but ah well shoulder to shoulder, behave and we will get them back i understand why this is happening

not too happy about losing the drums but ah well shoulder to shoulder, behave and we will get them back i understand why this is happening

Look on the positive if anyone wants i can beat box really loudly.

They can take our drums, flags, tifo's etc but they can't take away our voices.

Lets all stick shoulder to shoulder and get through these tough times and get back on track to being the greatest supporters group in Australia.

Fire up RBB and let's show our loyalty to the greatest football club, the Western Sydney Wanderers!!!!!

Benched,

 

What was specifically referred to in the meeting when the topic of "Sneaky tifo’s such as confetti displays..."?

 

I get the reason behind receipt rolls and streamers (I didn't at the time and though how f**ng great it looked vs NEW) - they can/do become projectiles similar to the bottles, etc and hence why not allowed.

 

But confetti displays? The top section of Bay 5 (the ones you see on TV when we score at home games) will be trully cut up by this (ready my 9 and 11 year olds + the two little girls in front of us and the few people behind us getting into the spirit....

The receipt rolls for the Jets game was referred to as the "sneaky tifo".

Kids in bay 5 with a bit of confetti won't be an issue, unless those kids also like to rip flares and smokies that might ignite the confetti.

Guys, girls (and all those cove hermaphrodites reading along); There are two main points I want everyone to understand.

1. The decision regarding tifos, drums, megas etc. was made by the stadium and police. The club and FFA met with us to discuss ways for the RBB to regain our privileges because they value what we bring to the league. If we are able to stand united and commit that we will all do our bit then we have a chance (don't ask me for odds) of being able to use our drums and megas at the Heart game. We cannot say strongly enough how much we fought just to have that chance. "How can we make sure we have drums & megas on oz day" was the issue that dominated a majority of the meeting. This thread is not the place for arguments (debate is of course always welcome) and it is especially not the place for spam or being stupid. I ask the mods to mod-hammer on anything off topic. Before anyone posts, please stop and ask yourself "am I contributing to the discussion here?", and if the answer is no, go post on another topic.

2. The wristband idea is just that, an IDEA. If we trial it at the Heart game it will be a trial and assessed afterwards. I'm already sick to death of seeing people ignore everything else and start whinging about whether or not they will get a wristband. If that is the only thing you are worried about in all of this you are selfish and we do not need selfishness right now!!!

Read this part of the OP, then read it again, and again and again as many times as you need to until you understand it completely

The club and FFA both understand that our home end has grown more rapidly than any of us ever expected or hoped it would. They also understand that with rapid growth comes the challenge of managing a group that has grown from 40 guys & girls singing on a hill at Cook park into 2500 people (mostly) singing in the North Terrace at Parra stadium. We spoke about this at length, particularly regarding the frustration felt by a lot of RBB members at arriving from the march to see the active support bays filled with people who refuse to participate, sponges that absorb the atmosphere we create rather than join in making it even better.

 

Our ONLY chance at earning the ability to make a tifo for the next home derby is to prove that we can manage Bay 56, to show that we have a strong core of 340 RBB who understand what we are trying to achieve and will not screw it up for everyone else through selfish actions. A suggestion was made for us to obtain wristbands, and the concept works in two ways:

1. We ensure that bay 56 is rock solid every week. Anyone without a wristband will NOT be allowed into the bay, and we have a promise from the club that security will enforce this on our behalf.
2. If someone does misbehave, they won't be in bay 56 and won't be wearing a wristband which means the club, FFA and police will know that the person is not part of our core group and thus outside of our realm of responsibility.

If the idea goes ahead there is nothing, I repeat NOTHING, elitist about a bay 56 wristband. We pleaded, and both the club and FFA understood, that we have grown at a rate much faster than our ability to manage increasing numbers has grown. Everyone should be proud of their part in our growth as a home end, but with rapid growth comes a set of challenges and we are facing ours now.

We will never snitch on our own like the self-righteous scum to the East and we will not change our "edgy" style of support. We should all live proudly close to the edge in what we deliver on matchday. We want an intimidating atmosphere that propels our players and has opponents and their fans wondering how walking through a turnstile at Parramatta transported them to a hybrid of Europe and South America.

thank you FFA, what a disgraceful disciplinary action you have imposed on what Australia is calling the best active support in all codes The RBB. Im a foundation season pass holder Red reserved and so is my family, we join the march, we sing every chant the RBB sings from the eastern terrace, if it weren't for the full on passion from the RBB there is no 12th man for the team, the supporters made the club, we pretty much attend matches live to watch more so the passion behind the goals than when there's about to be one.

As for this meeting, was there any negotiation to begin with ? its sounds like those representing you guys are the FFA, ban tifo's, drums and  flags  WTF. if flares cant be stopped then there should be for responsible core supporters only e.g MLS, j-league.

crowds will drop, which may even include myself and family, if this is my opinion coming from a family man with kids then you can just imagine what the rest think. this definitely is not the news i want when the club is on a high. Just wanted to put my 2 cent worth in.

Well what doesn't kill you makes you stronger and Ill start at the Brisbane game!

Won't be in Sydney for the Hearts game so please someone make more noise for Me.

RBB will survive the storm!

thank you FFA, what a disgraceful disciplinary action you have imposed on what Australia is calling the best active support in all codes The RBB. Im a foundation season pass holder Red reserved and so is my family, we join the march, we sing every chant the RBB sings from the eastern terrace, if it weren't for the full on passion from the RBB there is no 12th man for the team, the supporters made the club, we pretty much attend matches live to watch more so the passion behind the goals than when there's about to be one.

As for this meeting, was there any negotiation to begin with ? its sounds like those representing you guys are the FFA, ban tifo's, drums and  flags  WTF. if flares cant be stopped then there should be for responsible core supporters only e.g MLS, j-league.

crowds will drop, which may even include myself and family, if this is my opinion coming from a family man with kids then you can just imagine what the rest think. this definitely is not the news i want when the club is on a high. Just wanted to put my 2 cent worth in.

As for this meeting, was there any negotiation to begin with ?

There was nothing to negotiate at the meeting. The FFA and club told us what the stadium and police had decided.

its sounds like those representing you guys are the FFA

FFA mafia

ADMIN: At request of important people involved in the RBB and this FFA/RBB/Stadium/Club/Police discussions I have cleaned up the topic to remove off-topic posts as well as a lot of posts that are just '+1'.

This needs to be a clear discussion and not filled with off-topic and non-constructive posts.

A 'wristband' topic I hope will be up soon for more discussion on that topic.

Carry on.

Norwest keep out of this thread thanks.

this means 2 things

1. We know have to sing louder than ever

2 stand shoulder to shoulder through these tough times

its not like all these things are permanently banned we can earn them back, lets just show them the true RBB, the RBB people are calling the best active support in the country

Lucky we have never had the treatment like Sydney united supporters got. We will sing even louder. ACAB

 

Benched,

 

What was specifically referred to in the meeting when the topic of "Sneaky tifo’s such as confetti displays..."?

 

I get the reason behind receipt rolls and streamers (I didn't at the time and though how f**ng great it looked vs NEW) - they can/do become projectiles similar to the bottles, etc and hence why not allowed.

 

But confetti displays? The top section of Bay 5 (the ones you see on TV when we score at home games) will be trully cut up by this (ready my 9 and 11 year olds + the two little girls in front of us and the few people behind us getting into the spirit....

The receipt rolls for the Jets game was referred to as the "sneaky tifo".

Kids in bay 5 with a bit of confetti won't be an issue, unless those kids also like to rip flares and smokies that might ignite the confetti.

 

Guys, girls (and all those cove hermaphrodites reading along); There are two main points I want everyone to understand.

 

1. The decision regarding tifos, drums, megas etc. was made by the stadium and police. The club and FFA met with us to discuss ways for the RBB to regain our privileges because they value what we bring to the league. If we are able to stand united and commit that we will all do our bit then we have a chance (don't ask me for odds) of being able to use our drums and megas at the Heart game. We cannot say strongly enough how much we fought just to have that chance. "How can we make sure we have drums & megas on oz day" was the issue that dominated a majority of the meeting. This thread is not the place for arguments (debate is of course always welcome) and it is especially not the place for spam or being stupid. I ask the mods to mod-hammer on anything off topic. Before anyone posts, please stop and ask yourself "am I contributing to the discussion here?", and if the answer is no, go post on another topic.

If the FFA (Wanderers) have a contract with the Parramatta Trust (or other body) for the use of the stadium then shouldnt the FFA have included relevant clauses to ensure that the use of tifos, drums and other legal paraphernalia, with appropriate constraints, is able to be used as a right and not a privilege?

Surely active support for any club is something they strive to achieve and if that is the case why wouldnt they ensure appropriate contractural support?

So the questions is, does the contract between FFA and Parramatta Trust (or other) have appropriate clauses to ensure active support "stuff" is covered? If it doesnt then why doesnt it?

If it is not there then it seems it would be an oversight on the part of the FFA and is something that should be included in future reviews.

thank you FFA, what a disgraceful disciplinary action you have imposed on what Australia is calling the best active support in all codes The RBB. Im a foundation season pass holder Red reserved and so is my family, we join the march, we sing every chant the RBB sings from the eastern terrace, if it weren't for the full on passion from the RBB there is no 12th man for the team, the supporters made the club, we pretty much attend matches live to watch more so the passion behind the goals than when there's about to be one.

As for this meeting, was there any negotiation to begin with ? its sounds like those representing you guys are the FFA, ban tifo's, drums and  flags  WTF. if flares cant be stopped then there should be for responsible core supporters only e.g MLS, j-league.

crowds will drop, which may even include myself and family, if this is my opinion coming from a family man with kids then you can just imagine what the rest think. this definitely is not the news i want when the club is on a high. Just wanted to put my 2 cent worth in.

Hi Gunner,

What part of the "The decision regarding tifos, drums, megas etc. was made by the stadium and police" did you miss?

How much murder have we been getting away with (eg. flares at almost every match, yes, even if its one - ITS ILLEGAL.....)

If we (collectively speaking) hadn't thrown bottles or lit up so many flares at the W-League, we wouldn't be in this predicament. btw I was only metres from both incidents so I'm not judging from a pedestal or afar. My son wanted to throw a bottle when we played ccm and I clipped him one and told him to suck it up and learn to loose (even if the ref was one-eyed) for we can't win every game 6-1. This is football and one of the reasons we love it is because of its uncertainty, edge of your seat, loose/win a game in extra time passion...

 

thank you FFA, what a disgraceful disciplinary action you have imposed on what Australia is calling the best active support in all codes The RBB. Im a foundation season pass holder Red reserved and so is my family, we join the march, we sing every chant the RBB sings from the eastern terrace, if it weren't for the full on passion from the RBB there is no 12th man for the team, the supporters made the club, we pretty much attend matches live to watch more so the passion behind the goals than when there's about to be one.

As for this meeting, was there any negotiation to begin with ? its sounds like those representing you guys are the FFA, ban tifo's, drums and  flags  WTF. if flares cant be stopped then there should be for responsible core supporters only e.g MLS, j-league.

crowds will drop, which may even include myself and family, if this is my opinion coming from a family man with kids then you can just imagine what the rest think. this definitely is not the news i want when the club is on a high. Just wanted to put my 2 cent worth in.

Hi Gunner,

What part of the "The decision regarding tifos, drums, megas etc. was made by the stadium and police" did you miss?

How much murder have we been getting away with (eg. flares at almost every match, yes, even if its one - ITS ILLEGAL.....)

If we (collectively speaking) hadn't thrown bottles or lit up so many flares at the W-League, we wouldn't be in this predicament. btw I was only metres from both incidents so I'm not judging from a pedestal or afar. My son wanted to throw a bottle when we played ccm and I clipped him one and told him to suck it up and learn to loose (even if the ref was one-eyed) for we can't win every game 6-1. This is football and one of the reasons we love it is because of its uncertainty, edge of your seat, loose/win a game in extra time passion...

Perhaps the point that was being made is how could FFA allow the stadium to take that course of action? Secondly, if a contract is in place between FFA at the Parra trust under what basis can the police set aside that contract in advance of an event occuring (assuming the contract had clauses to enable the use of banners and active support stuff)? If they did it on the day due to safety concerns that is one thing, but to state all future events will be affected seems strange without having this discussed with lawyers at 20 paces.

 

 

Benched,

 

What was specifically referred to in the meeting when the topic of "Sneaky tifo’s such as confetti displays..."?

 

I get the reason behind receipt rolls and streamers (I didn't at the time and though how f**ng great it looked vs NEW) - they can/do become projectiles similar to the bottles, etc and hence why not allowed.

 

But confetti displays? The top section of Bay 5 (the ones you see on TV when we score at home games) will be trully cut up by this (ready my 9 and 11 year olds + the two little girls in front of us and the few people behind us getting into the spirit....

The receipt rolls for the Jets game was referred to as the "sneaky tifo".

Kids in bay 5 with a bit of confetti won't be an issue, unless those kids also like to rip flares and smokies that might ignite the confetti.

 

Guys, girls (and all those cove hermaphrodites reading along); There are two main points I want everyone to understand.

 

1. The decision regarding tifos, drums, megas etc. was made by the stadium and police. The club and FFA met with us to discuss ways for the RBB to regain our privileges because they value what we bring to the league. If we are able to stand united and commit that we will all do our bit then we have a chance (don't ask me for odds) of being able to use our drums and megas at the Heart game. We cannot say strongly enough how much we fought just to have that chance. "How can we make sure we have drums & megas on oz day" was the issue that dominated a majority of the meeting. This thread is not the place for arguments (debate is of course always welcome) and it is especially not the place for spam or being stupid. I ask the mods to mod-hammer on anything off topic. Before anyone posts, please stop and ask yourself "am I contributing to the discussion here?", and if the answer is no, go post on another topic.

 

If the FFA (Wanderers) have a contract with the Parramatta Trust (or other body) for the use of the stadium then shouldnt the FFA have included relevant clauses to ensure that the use of tifos, drums and other legal paraphernalia, with appropriate constraints, is able to be used as a right and not a privilege?

 

Surely active support for any club is something they strive to achieve and if that is the case why wouldnt they ensure appropriate contractural support?

 

So the questions is, does the contract between FFA and Parramatta Trust (or other) have appropriate clauses to ensure active support "stuff" is covered? If it doesnt then why doesnt it?

 

If it is not there then it seems it would be an oversight on the part of the FFA and is something that should be included in future reviews.

The FFA don't get to dictate the terms of the agreement. While there were negotiations in regards to payments/costings/branding and so on, the stadium (owned by the Government) will have control over what goes on in the stadium in regards to things like instruments and flags. It is up to WSW/FFA to get the stadium to agree to relax their contract and rules for the club. Not the other way around. It's that simple.

Those in the RBB who didn't realise this despite multiple people telling them exactly what would happen, now can see that ripping flares in every other match will mean everything else the RBB does is at risk.