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  • Damien de Bohun Misses Mark With Active Support Response


    mack

    Damien de Bohun today exposed yet again the FFA's inability to understand Active Support in the A-League.

     

    De Bohun released an opinion piece on the Football Federation Website titled "Active fans the stars of the show". His piece fails to respond to any of the criticism and concerns of those supporters across the league who view the FFA as having given up on active support.

     

    I could write another large article, but instead I will list of the issues I believe De Bohun and the FFA has failed to respond to.

    1. The shattered trust between certain clubs, the FFA & active supporters that developed under the leadership of De Bohun.
    2. No apology for De Bohun's failure to ensure that Melbourne Victory secured their stadium before the publishing of the A-League draw, which lead to the rescheduling of what was going to be a marquee fixture both on and off the pitch onto a Tuesday.
    3. No mention of how the FFA refused to discuss A-League active support issues while pushing those in Terrace Australis to create the same atmosphere they were attempting to destroy at A-League level.
    4. Melbourne Victory & the FFA forcing out the North Terrace, and replacing them with a club approved cheer squad.
    5. The hypocrisy of the FFA using active support in advertisements as they allowed MFVC to destroy active support at Melbourne Victory.
    6. What the FFA will do to defend supporters against systemic bias in the media or police.
    7. If the FFA will go forward with a promise to correct the record when our sport or supporters are attacked in the media by reminding the mainstream media of events of far greater severity across other sports and cultural events.
    8. The FFA pushing to have made public a complete set of information relating to arrests, evictions and serious incidents across all sports in Australia, so that the media, Police & public have the full truth about anti-social behaviour in sport, and in the A-League.
    9. Following that, the FFA attempting to reduce the overly draconian levels of Police force being arrayed against active support in the A-League, up to and including paramilitary police units wearing tactical combat gear, standing hand on gun in the aisles of A-League matches.
    10. Correcting the behaviour of security and police to stop situations where supporters are threatened with bans, evictions and arrests for supporting their team in a manner that the FFA repeatedly use in their advertisements for the A-League.
    11. No mention of any FFA campaign to improve the training of security to enable security to better understand the differences in an active support crowd as opposed to the nightclubs & pubs that most security guards spend their working lives controlling.
    12. Removing or justifying the presence of Hatamoto, a shadowy anti-terrorist organisation, from their involvement in football. Nor is there any apology for privacy intruding dossiers being built against people who have done nothing wrong, and disseminated to those at the FFA and other private companies.
    13. No justification or clarification on the FFA's stance for naming sub-groups in active support groups as 'rogue' or 'splinter' sub-groups, with an inherent negative bias toward anyone who happen to be a part of what would be seen as a 'splinter' group. Even if those groups form out of completely legitimate differences such as geographic location or age.
    14. Discussion of the major safety issues that come from caging in active supporters, and forcing them into dystopian scanners every single time they leave active support areas.
    15. Why if only a "very small portion" of people are involved in anti-social behaviour, does the FFA introduce and allow such incredibly draconian anti-supporter measures, such as totally banning supporter equipment like flags, tifos, banners, and going to the extent of trying to ban sub-groups?
    16. FFA improving their pre-match 'registration system' that has resulted in the FFA approving displays and tifos, only to ban them after groups have gone to great expense of time, energy and money to create them. The FFA also have pointlessly strict limits on certain active support implements such as flags.
    17. The FFA have not discussed what they are doing to self-educate on best practice active support controls from countries like Germany or England.
    18. Any concrete information about how long these measures are to be in place for, and what exactly constitutes 'success' in the eyes of the FFA.
    19. De Bohun says nothing about his intent to use these draconian measures against other supporter groups in the A-League.
    20. There is no discussion on reform of the A-League banning system to include elements of natural justice such as a right of an accused to face their accuser, to see all the evidence arrayed before them, to make their case, independent arbiters, punishments that fit the offence and a system of appeal.

    Damien de Bohun can argue all he wants against anti-social behaviour. Appropriate, non excessive attempts to curb minor levels of anti-social behaviour in the A-League are not what I believe show that the FFA are trying to destroy active support. As I've said in the past, I've not seen any anti-social behaviour that justifies this level of attack on active supporters. I am tired of being treated like a criminal by the Police & media, and disgusted with the FFA's complicity in allowing biased, incorrect labels like 'hooligan', 'splinter' and 'rioter' to spoken in reference to football supporters without any defence from the FFA.

     

    Damien de Bohun continues to stonewall and avoid discussion on these important topics and has done so for months. Of the problems listed there are many that have been in the FFA's hands for weeks, months or even years. His inability to face the real issues is a symptom of a failure of leadership at the FFA.

     

    Instead of looking forward to taking part in a new A-League season, I'm looking over my shoulder in case a policeman is about to indiscriminately blast the crowd with capsicum spray (or their gun accidentally fires while they are in a crowd), or an undercover Hatamoto agent is about to recommend me for a 5 year ban on false evidence, or to be on the lookout for a crowd crush if the FFA implement unsafe crowd control elements at any of the stadiums I will be attending this year.

     

    Damien de Bohun writes that he is 'proud' of active support.

     

    He and the FFA need to start acting like it.

     

    To do otherwise is to risk destroying the active support that claim to be proud of, and that they use to advertise the league with.

     

    To those who read my previous piece "FFA Attempting To Destroy Active Support", I would like to thank you all, no matter what team your follow or your affiliation (or non-affiliation) with active support. People across the nation took this issue to heart, with multiple articles in the media being written and large amounts of discussion taking place on social media. This website in particular gained the highest ever single day viewing statistics, and that article became the 4th highest viewed article in only a day.

     

    Continue to discuss and press the FFA on these important issues.

     

    Football without fans is nothing.


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    PhoenixK

    Posted

    Pretty sure his response only came out this afternoon.. Well done on the quick and thorough reply! We must keep fighting and making clear what the issues are!

    Pipo19

    Posted

    Hey mack y dont u go to the taping of thursday fc at sbs most likely de bohun will b there at one point

    mack

    Posted

    I'm going to the Wanderers supporter forum.

    theguyyouwishyouwere

    Posted

    I'm going to the Wanderers supporter forum.

     

    can you ask about a cider stand for those hot days?

     

    and a guinness stand for the cold one's?

     

    and ask when the dino statue will be ready :P

    AEK

    Posted

    Love your articles Mack, you are probably going to get a lifetime bans from all FFA football matches now or making them look like amateurs!

    Neverbloom

    Posted (edited)

    the reply was frankly not good enough

     

    no football fan would want this to happen, i think its about time we get football fans into the sport and get rid of afl and cricket fans, great post this is our game and we have been knocked around quite a bit without doing anything wrong

    Edited by TheGoatOfDoom
    SHUUUU

    Posted

    mack the king replier top stuff man !

     

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    Gavo

    Posted

    This from the NSW Police website.....

     

    Apparently 28 ejections is an improved result.

     

    Obvisouly we need more ejections and arrests to be praised.

     

    Police praise crowds for good behaviour at NRL Grand Final

    Monday, 07 October 2013 09:45:05 AM

    Police have praised footy fans at last night’s NRL Grand Final at ANZ Stadium on their good behaviour.

    More than 80,000 people attended the match where the Sydney Roosters defeated the Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles to take the NRL Premiership.

     

    A police operation was in place in and around ANZ Stadium involving general duties police from South West Metropolitan Region, the Public Order and Riot Squad (PORS), Operations Support Group (OSG), Mounted Police Unit, Dog Unit, Police Transport Command and Licensing Police.

    As a result of the police operation,
    • Ten people were ejected from the stadium by police for being intoxicated, while 18 people were ejected by security for the same reason;
    • Three people received banning notices during the operation in relation to anti-social behaviour, including a 20-year-old man who was charged with fail to comply, a 40-year-old man who was issued a Criminal Infringement Notice (CIN) for offensive behaviour; and another 40-year-old man who was issued CINs for offensive language and fail to quit.


    Operation Commander, Superintendent Peter Gillam, said police are pleased with the results, especially with the large crowds at Sydney Olympic Park.

     

    “About 130,000 people came to Sydney Olympic Park for events yesterday, including the NRL Grand Final, two One Direction concerts and the EB Games Expo,†Supt Gillam said.

     

    “A vast majority of the crowds were on their best behaviour and it was great to see footy fans enjoying the match in the true spirit of the game.

     

    “I’m pleased the NRL Grand Final is recognised as a family-friendly event where anti-social behaviour is not tolerated.

    “In fact, the incidence of anti-social behaviour has been trending down over the past few years, and this year may be one of the lowest on record,†Supt Gillam said.

    Jukes01

    Posted

    Mack was that the short article :shok:

     

    Anyway you summarised the points pretty well. Out of all the points you raised the one that stands out the most is point 9 and the use of police.

     

    The amount of police that attend our matches is TOTALLY UNNECESSARY and if you want to encourage families and kids to have a more family friendly atmosphere then that needs to be scaled back big time. The police presence at the pre season match between Adelaide and the Wanderers is just a classic example of over the top policing. I thought it might have been because Bruce L was terrorizing Penrith on his pushbike, but nah surely that isn't it.

    dirtyharry

    Posted

    Safety this & safety that. I'm sick of them throwing around the S word when it's complete bs! I have never experienced any 'unsafe' attitude or any sort of unsafe event at any match I have ever been to; excluding the NIX game where the 'safety' of their supporters seemed to slip their minds with ridiculous standing areas (but lets not dwell on that - lets sweep it under the carpet like the good supporters we are).. sarcasm sign! I wish they'd stop using false information to build up a pointless case against active supporters. Useless scare tactics.

    mack

    Posted

    You should have seen my initial draft, let's just say the first four points were paragraph long.

    theguyyouwishyouwere

    Posted

    You should have seen my initial draft, let's just say the first four points were paragraph long.

     

    but the swear filter would have turned most of the words into lots of these *********************  :D

    matty

    Posted

    We need some old school football people advising these mugs.

    Good administrators, yes.

    Doesn't mean they're making the right calls.

    Gavo

    Posted

    We need some old school football people advising these mugs.

    Good administrators, yes.

    Doesn't mean they're making the right calls.

    I agree.

     

    The A-League is about to explode in popularity, especially in active support. FFS, we now have 5 member only active bays. If those running the game don't start seeking advice from abroad, we're in trouble. This is a defining time for Australia club football.

    Legionista

    Posted

     

    We need some old school football people advising these mugs.

    Good administrators, yes.

    Doesn't mean they're making the right calls.

    I agree.

    The A-League is about to explode in popularity, especially in active support. FFS, we now have 5 member only active bays. If those running the game don't start seeking advice from abroad, we're in trouble. This is a defining time for Australia club football.

    I think seeking advice abroad is what has got us in this situation im the first place. The tactics we have seen from the police are not their tactics reacting to reality. They are tactics used by law enforcement overseas to deal with violent hooligans. Thats the problem. The FFA and the coppers seek advice from overseas for problems we do not have instead of using a bit of common sense and talking with active supporter groups.

    westofcentre

    Posted (edited)

    Mack - the shining light in a dark room filled with ignorance!

     

    why dont the football fans of Australia start up a fan newspaper or website. We have great writers amongst us - Mack, Manfred pkus many others I am sure. And guys already involved in media like Turner.

     

    Getting this up and running will help the united fans voice and be another piece of the pizzle that falls into place and can be utilised to help us.

     

    you see what Macks articles have achieved and all your comments. Imagine that in the form of organised media.

    Edited by westofcentre
    westofcentre

    Posted (edited)

    So (just continuing my thought bubble) you will have a fan alliance and a coordinated media outlet to helo voice the fan alliance concerns and spread the word.

     

    Offcourse it will be much more then this, reporting on fan views, events, initiatives and issues.

     

    It can have a "red and black" corner a smurfs corner, sections devoted to different fan groups.

     

    there will be aspiring journos from each state writing articles up and creating networks.

     

    For the journos involves it will be great to have on your CV

    Edited by westofcentre
    GunnerWanderer

    Posted

    Mack u and manfred should get together and consult it law and speech writing to name a few...

    The money you make u can buy the wanderers!

     

    Excellent piece again!

    NickNova

    Posted

    Where's the source from Gavo?

    matty

    Posted

     

     

    We need some old school football people advising these mugs.

    Good administrators, yes.

    Doesn't mean they're making the right calls.

    I agree.

    The A-League is about to explode in popularity, especially in active support. FFS, we now have 5 member only active bays. If those running the game don't start seeking advice from abroad, we're in trouble. This is a defining time for Australia club football.

    I think seeking advice abroad is what has got us in this situation im the first place. The tactics we have seen from the police are not their tactics reacting to reality. They are tactics used by law enforcement overseas to deal with violent hooligans. Thats the problem. The FFA and the coppers seek advice from overseas for problems we do not have instead of using a bit of common sense and talking with active supporter groups.

    Absolutely.

     

    I didn't say anything about going abroad, I meant old school football people from right here. They understand our football background and culture alot more than the nrl, cricket and afl types.

    Erebus

    Posted (edited)

    Mack - the shining light in a dark room filled with ignorance!

     

    why dont the football fans of Australia start up a fan newspaper or website. We have great writers amongst us - Mack, Manfred pkus many others I am sure. And guys already involved in media like Turner.

     

    Getting this up and running will help the united fans voice and be another piece of the pizzle that falls into place and can be utilised to help us.

     

    you see what Macks articles have achieved and all your comments. Imagine that in the form of organised media.

    There already is From the Stands, Thin White Line, Football Sack, FourFourTwo can be added to the list too as they are very supporter friendly, The World Game etc

     

    There are a bunch of football specific websites and heaps done by fans.

    You don't need traditional print media to get your voice heard in this day and age.

    Edited by Erebus
    BigDukes

    Posted

    although, it would be good to get some mainstream media on our side in some way or form

     

    foxsports and SBS should be protecting their game and voicing their concerns about all this

    westofcentre

    Posted

     

    Mack - the shining light in a dark room filled with ignorance!

    why dont the football fans of Australia start up a fan newspaper or website. We have great writers amongst us - Mack, Manfred pkus many others I am sure. And guys already involved in media like Turner.

    Getting this up and running will help the united fans voice and be another piece of the pizzle that falls into place and can be utilised to help us.

    you see what Macks articles have achieved and all your comments. Imagine that in the form of organised media.

     

    There already is From the Stands, Thin White Line, Football Sack, FourFourTwo can be added to the list too as they are very supporter friendly, The World Game etc

     

    There are a bunch of football specific websites and heaps done by fans.

    You don't need traditional print media to get your voice heard in this day and age.

    Great thanks Erebus. So maybe a case of getting our voice heard in these publications. i must be out touch. Never heard of a couple of those publications mentioned.

    Guest mickisnot

    Posted

    although, it would be good to get some mainstream media on our side in some way or form

     

    foxsports and SBS should be protecting their game and voicing their concerns about all this

     

    ^All of this plus more, but I can't help but feel ..

     

    That they must have some cash inflow with New Limited (aside from Fox)

     

    I was at Parramatta stadium on the weekend to get psyched for the season start and there was some interview with Channel Seven reporter "Chris Bath" on the oval and she was praising the Wanderers and saying how they're big fans or some s*** like that. I didn't exactly see New Limited be on board with the Wanderers Supporters until the end of the season.

     

    Will be lodging another massive complaint to the FFA over there handling of this. The FFA are weird, they do something great and amazing for the game one week and then the next week they slip up again...

    jetlee75

    Posted

    without active fans the the rest of the crowd will be a no show and this means loss of revenue. FFA are forgetting what the crowds like the Wanderers did last season, A League was not watched by many until our marches showed the passion for the game. 

     

    Firstly, get rid of 

    Damien de Bohun!

    theguyyouwishyouwere

    Posted

    without active fans the the rest of the crowd will be a no show and this means loss of revenue. 

     

    yeah, no.

     

    but i admire the point you are trying to make.

    westofcentre

    Posted

     

    although, it would be good to get some mainstream media on our side in some way or form

     

    foxsports and SBS should be protecting their game and voicing their concerns about all this

     

    ^All of this plus more, but I can't help but feel ..

     

    That they must have some cash inflow with New Limited (aside from Fox)

     

    I was at Parramatta stadium on the weekend to get psyched for the season start and there was some interview with Channel Seven reporter "Chris Bath" on the oval and she was praising the Wanderers and saying how they're big fans or some s*** like that. I didn't exactly see New Limited be on board with the Wanderers Supporters until the end of the season.

     

    Will be lodging another massive complaint to the FFA over there handling of this. The FFA are weird, they do something great and amazing for the game one week and then the next week they slip up again...

     

     

    Rupert Murdoch was at the launch of the Foxtel Football development program early last year. It was a symbolic show to his Australian papers and their editors how they should now "consider" treating football in this country. They may not love it, but they need not to openly hate it. 




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