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  • Record Loss Puts Rudan In Firing Line


    mack

    A midweek duel with implications on the top 6 was the scene in Melbourne tonight as the Western Sydney Wanderers faced up to Melbourne City, the Wanderers failed to turn up and were obliterated, suffering a record 7-0 loss that knocked them out of the Top 6 and hopefully caused Paul Lederer and the Wanderers ownership to finally get rid of Marko Rudan

    The Wanderers made an enforced change in the defence with Tom Beadling coming into the starting lineup with Marcelo suspended and Dylan Scicluna coming in as well. Jack Clisby and Sonny Kittel both made their way to the bench after starting last Friday in the 3-1 loss to Western United & Lawrence Thomas was back in goals. City were missing Matthew Leckie and Curtis Good due to an illness, leaving them with an unchanged lineup from their previous match.

    It took all of a minute and a half for City to make the first chance of the game with a lightning right wing counter-attack. Callum Talbot swept down the flank unmarked, released Marin Jakolis who found himself in the penalty area, electing to cut the ball back to the top of the 6 yard box where Leo Natel had beaten Aidan Simmons for pace but put his shot across to the far post and just wide, a glorious chance that shouldn't have been spurred. City had another great chance in the 14th minute, as Jorrit Hendrix made a calamitous error with a poorly played sideways pass out of defence, giving it straight to Tolgay Arslan. With Thomas stranded on the edge of the box and no-one quick enough to get back it scoring seemed to be inevitable and yet Arslan decided to shoot straight away and kicked it directly at Thomas.

    Western Sydney failed to heed the warnings to tighten up their defence and City punished it with a quick-fire double. City worked a 2 on 1 on the right wing between Talbot and former Wanderer Steven Ugarkovic, there was one man in the middle for City and Ugarkovic picked him ou with a cross that while accurate, was inexplicably let drop by Tom Beadling, which one could only assume was a call from Thomas, leaving it for Arslan to hit a knee high volley into the empty net.

    The second only needed thirteen seconds from the Wanderers kicking off to the ball ended up in their net. Yes, 13 seconds. A handful of passes ended with a lazy kick into midfield by Scicluna that was pushed upfield by City to Arslan, and he drove from the centre circle, the midfield couldn't catch up and the defence stood off, he fired a shot that went through the sea of legs attempting to block and then past the dive of Thomas to make it 2-0. 

    City weren't done yet and in the 39th minute they had their 3rd, and shortly after their 4th. Another right side City raid but instead of going wide Jakolis went central and released Max Caputo, the defence were too slow to react and his cut-back across goal beat Thomas and gave Natel the simplest of tap-ins. Caputo went from provider to scorer to get the 4th goal, a touch of luck with Jakolis taking an air swing on a ball bouncing into the box, it fell to Caputo who had reacted faster than Beadling and his sweeping shot was beyond the feet of Thomas.

    Western Sydney had all of three chances, two of which were hits straight at Jamie Young by Milanovic and Borrello, and a third from Simmons where he was into the area and free to shoot but blasted his shot toward the corner flag instead of the opposition goal. This combined with the horrendous, statuesque defending made the half a complete nightmare for the Red & Black.

    Rudan needed change and he made the first ever pentuple sub in A-League history. Milanovic, Brook, Beadling, Simmons and Scicluna came off and in their place came Clisby, Ninkovic, Pierias, Cleur & young defender Nathan Barrie to make his A-League debut. The half-time changes did little to fix things, and only Thomas stood in the way of a City 5th. Jakolis found Caputo at the near post and his reaction shot looked certain to score only for Thomas to adjust his body and block the strike.

    33 year old Nuno Reis had only scored 3 goals in his entire senior, but even he got on the scoresheet in this match. Terry Antonis swung in a corner that Reis rose up for, with Borrello losing his marker and giving the defender a free shot that he knocked down at goal, with Thomas and Antonsson colliding in their attempts to keep it out and failing to do so.

    It was 6 through Jamie Maclaren in the 77th, Leo Natel working around in the box to trick the defence into letting him fire back into the middle. Maclaren was on the spot, his first touch had the ball up in the air and the second was a volley up and over Thomas and the defence.

    The first 6 were typical football goals but the 7th was a wonder strike. Terry Antonis, after being frozen out by Rudan and forced out of the club had come on as a second half substitute. He punished the club that treated him poorly by scoring one of the best goals in the history of the A-League. With a bouncing ball in the centre circle he knocked it over his shoulder and turned, took a glance to see Thomas a mile off his line and fired from inside the circle, an arcing lob with pace and direction that turned Thomas all around and inside out, the keeper flapping at thin air as it landed behind him. Antonis ran off in front of the Wanderers bench with a pointed celebration aimed squarely at Rudan. City put the cue in the rack at that point, and despite City taking their feet of the accelerator they still had the better chances to score, the Wanderers simply had nothing at all.

    Mercifully the full time whistle sounded after 93 minutes, a 7-0 drubbing that is the Wanderers worst ever defeat. Following the 4-1 loss in the Derby, the 3-1 loss on Friday against last place Western United, this 7-0 loss surely spells the end of Rudan's car park spying stigma era in charge of the club. To top off the failure, Rudan abrogated his duty to front up to the media by sending the assistant coach to the post-match press conference, a move that won't endear him to the supporters at all.

    The Wanderers next match is against Perth Glory on Saturday the 16th of March, in Perth, with kick-off at 7:45pm EDT.


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    bombagol

    Posted

    5 minutes ago, GE942150 said:

    I feel for Scott Hudson. He's got a **** show to deal with at the moment. RBB and policing issues, and now possibly sacking a coach.

    Just possibly?

    Carns

    Posted

    11 minutes ago, TwoLeftFoots said:

    Things were decent last year, what changed ?

    Rudan did the same at Nux and Western United. He starts strong and fades out when he gets found out.

    GE942150

    Posted

    They're taking there sweet time to upload the press conference.

    mack

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, GE942150 said:

    They're taking there sweet time to upload the press conference.

    Considering it's Tuesday they might have just gone home already.

    GE942150

    Posted

    6 minutes ago, MajorMelons said:

    JP got thrown under the bus there, having to do this presser…. I think Rudan should have faced the music himself. 

    Maybe he had no choice.

    Midfielder

    Posted

    Maybe its time to look for an overseas coach...

     

     

    mack

    Posted

    15 minutes ago, mack said:

    Considering it's Tuesday they might have just gone home already.

    Never mind, they just put up the Vidmar conference.

    Midfielder

    Posted

    Just now, MajorMelons said:

    We’ve tried that already. It ended badly. 

    Did it end badly because the management team you had searching for a coach lacked the rigor to undertake in-depth due diligence, and maybe went looking for buz phases. 

    Before Monty left the Mariners, by this I mean well before he left, and not long after the new owner came in, The Mariners prepared a detailed analysis of the club and what skill set was needed by an incoming coach.... BTW the same was done for all key positions in the club, eg CEO, 

    The new owner first appointment was a Football director who also by the way help prepare what was needed to coach the Mariners, we are totally different to you guys in location, support, sponsors, revenue etc ... 

    Went Monty left, the search was world wide, but we were looking not for a name, but someone within our budget that ticked the boxes for us.... 

    Not suggesting you don't have these things also, but when I look around at whats on offer, I think clubs should maybe look overseas, and thats not just Europe ...

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    56 minutes ago, Carns said:

    Not to mention giving it large to ESFC fans after scoring the winner that sent them into the GF they won when VAR didn't work in Newcastle.

    Seems he hasn't quit (yet). Not that I think his ego would let him quit. But if he did, is he still entitled to a 3 year pay out? Or only if he is sacked?

    Plenty of managers have failed overseas but succeeded in A-league. Popa, Arnie, even Ange to start with. I don't think Kisnorbo is necessarily at the same level but he's much better than Rudan. Although I'd expect him to go back to City.

    Why would city need Kisnorbo back they just won 7 0

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    18 minutes ago, MajorMelons said:

    We’ve tried that already. It ended badly. 

    Bring back DJ Bavaria like I've always said I'd you are going to be **** might as well do it in a stylish Salmon shirt and stone Island jacket 

    Carns

    Posted

    Just now, StringerBellend said:

    Bring back DJ Bavaria like I've always said I'd you are going to be **** might as well do it in a stylish Salmon shirt and stone Island jacket 

    He's also not a ****.

    sonar

    Posted (edited)

    11 minutes ago, GE942150 said:

    Just 10 seconds into the press conference and he couldn't give an answer to why Rudan isn't there.

    Reporter: "Where's Marko"

    JP: "Uhhhh, it's pretty simple, i'm here now to ask (answer) questions. I dont think that's relevant at this stage" 

    That's it. He's done.

    https://aleagues.com.au/videos/id/jean-paul-de-marigny-press-conference-melbourne-city-v-western-sydney-wanderers/6348736411112/

    More word salad/bullshit.......not good enough.

    Edited by sonar
    mack

    Posted

    I'd be shitty too if I were JP and sent out to get slaughtered by the media when the guy in charge is hiding behind "team meeting" as an excuse for not doing his duty.

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    1 hour ago, apvz said:

     

    'Understand that all is not well at Western Sydney Wanderers. There is internal pressure on Marko Rudan,

    Pulitzer prize winning investigative reporting there..That guy must be really in the know, I mean unless he is really well connected how could he possibly have known that?

    GE942150

    Posted

    15 minutes ago, GE942150 said:

    Just 10 seconds into the press conference and he couldn't give an answer to why Rudan isn't there.

    Reporter: "Where's Marko"

    JP: "Uhhhh, it's pretty simple, i'm here now to ask (answer) questions. I dont think that's relevant at this stage" 

    That's it. He's done.

    https://aleagues.com.au/videos/id/jean-paul-de-marigny-press-conference-melbourne-city-v-western-sydney-wanderers/6348736411112/

    The reporter mentioned that Terry Antonis had a tough time at the Wanderers and JP basically smirked and questioned it. If the money he was reportedly on is correct, then I doubt his time here was that tough, lol.

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, mack said:

    I'd be shitty too if I were JP and sent out to get slaughtered by the media when the guy in charge is hiding behind "team meeting" as an excuse for not doing his duty.

    Reminds me of years ago when my boss (at the time) didn't turning up to a meeting with one of the group executive to explain why a project was found ****, left me to turn up and do it. 

    apvz

    Posted (edited)

    1 hour ago, WHACKO said:

    Unless Lederer walks out the door with him, sadly I don't think anything changes.

    Am i the only one that thinks Lederer is not the issue?

    As an owner, i cant remember the last coach that wasn't backed sufficiently by him.

    Robinson got given his mates Mutch and Rodwell and we poached talent from other clubs i.e. Hemed

    Babbel got his mates Meier, Schwegler, Muller + Duke etc.

    Even Gombau got Carrusca and Ikonomidis before getting sacked.

    Last season, 5 of the 6 foreigners we had came directly from Europe, plus the signings of more than capable aussies such as Borello, Thomas, Yengi, Ninko, etc. and then when things werent going as well as they could have, we got Layouni and Schneiderlin.

    This is the first season in a while where i've thought the recruitment was insanely poor, but all clubs experienced similar issues with money and the growth of the middle eastern nations. Even so, bringing in players like Hendrix, Antonsson and Kittel are clearly signs of backing the coach. 

    When we signed Rudan, no one better was available, same for Robinson, Gombau and Babbel (going off pure memory here so please correct me if i'm wrong). Plus, to see that he is always on the pitch after games and actually has a go at when he feels we have been wronged (as seen after the Newcastle game) shows that he does care, which is more than can be said about many owners around the world. But thats just my opinion.

    Is it that he is constantly ill informed by the guys around him when it comes to these managerial decisions? Who knows, but i doubt hes making these calls on his own. 

    Edited by apvz
    GE942150

    Posted

    6 minutes ago, mack said:

    I'd be shitty too if I were JP and sent out to get slaughtered by the media when the guy in charge is hiding behind "team meeting" as an excuse for not doing his duty.

    JP could have just simply said that he was in the meeting (which is most likely a lie) but couldn't. That's how you know he's most likely been sacked or even just quit and walked out the building. 

    SNS100

    Posted

    How awkward was that press conference 😬 

    What JP really wanted to say was:

    "The fing is, I fink we'll get f**ked in Perf for sure. Fanks"

     

    Upthehill

    Posted (edited)

    Not even going to bother commenting on that game. I said last week it would get much worse on and off the pitch before we saw any improvement. There's more to come if changes arent made immediately. Sadly Lederer has not shown a single example of how he's been able to manage his way out of a bad situation. He's simply skipped from bad to worse. 

    If there was any truth to the Popa and Kisnorbo rumour, we're in for the same sad outcomes as Rudan. Popa never provided stability, there was always players being frozen out or cast out to the youth squad. Kisnorbo had a pretty robust reputation as a bully at MCFC, that won't change if he comes here.

    Of everyone that is 'available' right now, if we arent looking seriously at Zdrilla, we're missing out. Will take some effort to convine him to come here and ruin his career, but we'd be remiss not to try

     

    Edited by Upthehill
    Neverbloom

    Posted

    Just saw rudan smiling and laughing as Antonis was celebrating around him, glad he is having a good time

     

     

    Cynth

    Posted

    7 minutes ago, GE942150 said:

    JP could have just simply said that he was in the meeting (which is most likely a lie) but couldn't. That's how you know he's most likely been sacked or even just quit and walked out the building. 

    I reckon a man like Rudan doesn’t wait to be sacked. And I’m guessing he doesn’t front up to the media when he has no-one left to blame. 

    Upthehill

    Posted

    18 minutes ago, mack said:

    I'd be shitty too if I were JP and sent out to get slaughtered by the media when the guy in charge is hiding behind "team meeting" as an excuse for not doing his duty.

    He's a coward. JP has made it clear he doesn't want head coaching roles because he detests dealing with the media. 

    GE942150

    Posted

    4 minutes ago, Upthehill said:

    Not even going to bother commenting on that game. I said last week it would get much worse on and off the pitch before we saw any improvement. There's more to come if changes arent made immediately. Sadly Lederer has not shown a single example of how he's been able to manage his way out of a bad situation. He's simply skipped from bad to worse. 

    If there was any truth to the Popa and Kisnorbo, we're in for the same outcomes as Rudan. Popa never provided stability, there was always players being frozen out or cast out to the youth squad. Kisnorbo had a pretty robust reputation as a bully at MCFC, that won't change if he comes here.

    Of everyone that is 'available' right now, if we arent looking seriously at Zdrilla, we're missing out. Will take some effort to convine him to come here and ruin his career, but we'd be remiss not to try

     

    He won't choose assistant coach money over head coach money if the opportunity becomes available.




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