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    The Western Sydney Wanderers kicked off their 2024/25 A-League campaign in a massive, sold out Sydney Derby clash in Parramatta tonight, the visitors taking all three points with a 2-1 win, the Wanderers showing little improvement over the team that finished in 7th place last season.

    The biggest news in the lead up was national team goalkeeper Lawrence Thomas being ruled out through injury thus giving an A-League debut to 21 year old Tristan Vidackovic. There was also an A-League debut for Taewook Jeong. Off the bench there were potential A-League debuts for Dean Pelekanos and marquee attacking midfield maestro Juan Mata, with club debuts in the offing for Jordan Holmes and Ben Holliday.

    Sydney FC had the opening chance of the game as they worked the ball into the penalty area, with Joe Lolley getting on the end of a blocked shot, firing it the wrong side of the near post as he slipped on the wet turf. 9 minutes in and Zac Sapsford went down after being involved in a friendly fire head clash with Gabriel Cleur.

    Alexandar Popovic rescued SFC from going behind in the 15th minute, Sapsford crossed to the far post for Cleur and he reached out to loop the ball to the back stick where Hammond turned it past the SFC keeper but not strongly enough to score.

    Minutes later and Sydney FC were in front. Vidackovic made a horrible pass out of the 6 yard box, giving it away to Rhyan Grant, his midfield header found Patryk Klimala unmarked, one intelligent header to the side gave Lolley space, Jack Clisby in racing back lost his footing and it was all the room Lolley needed to fire in the strike to the far post giving Vidackovic no hope to atone for his erroneous distribution.

    The game flared into even more life with a pair of horrendous challenges from Sydney FC players. Klimala went into the book first and he was followed by Popovic after a wild lunge from behind into Sapsford. A melee ensued and the end result was an additional card this time for Nicolas Milanovic for joining in the fracas. Brandon Borrello continued his poor early season form by shouldering a free header on the 6 yard box that was a glorious set piece chance from a corner. Cleur was booked as well for another side lunge that stopped a promising attack. Grant also picked up a booking for his cynical foul on Hammond after he beat Cena and had Grant done for pace.

    Anas Ouahim had the opportunity to double the lead after a flowing sequence where the Wanderers couldn't get a touch on the ball for several dozen passes in a row, with SFC pasing around them at all, Anthony Caceres ran into open space on the edge of the area, touched on to Ouahim but his shot went very wide with scrambling defenders jumping in to attempt to block it.

    With seconds left in the half it seemed certain the Wanderers would equalise. Breaking out of their defensive zone, Milanovic lofted a ball over the top for Borrello who managed to get it into the mixer, then instead of settling for a corner after an initial clearance he kept the game going, found Hammond on his own, 8 yards out with 80% of the goal to aim for but Hammond scooped it well over the bar in a contender for the eventual worst miss of the season.

    Sapsford was withdrawn after half-time, replaced by Bozhidar Kraev for his A-League debut. With Alen Stajcic in the middle of preparing the introduction of Mata, his team finally pulled off a series of passes in attack that allowed Hammond to make up for his first half miss. Sydney FC tried playing out from the back instead of clearing their lines, Costa with his back to goal failed to find a team-mate with his flick pass, instead sparking a counter for the home side. Joshua Brillante dove in to knock the ball to Kraev, he played a 1-2 pass with Milanovic, on the return he delayed long enough to open space for Borrello. Borrello was cut down by Grant for what would have been a penalty had the ball not rolled into the path of Hammond who finished unerringly at the second time of asking to make it 1-1.

    Mata arrived in the 61st minute with the goalscorer Hammond coming off. His first introduction to the A-League was instantly conceded from a set piece. Playing a free kick short, Costa cut back onto his left, Mata hadn't closed down quickly enough for his lunging block to make contact, and from there it was a simple flick-on at the near post from central defender Hayden Matthews followed by Klimala stooping to conquer with a flick of his own to beat Vidackovic and leave the Wanderers and Juan Mata stunned. Klimala was robbed of another and SFC's third by a wonderful reaction save from Vidackovic, diving to his right. Pelekanos made his debut with the cramp stricken Cleur making way.

    Stajcic threw on his final subs with Marcus Antonsson and Holliday making his debut, Scicluna and Borrello making way. With 4 minutes to play Sydney FC's dirty challenges were finally punished with the ultimate sanction, Max Burgess doing a Ruben Zadkovic and being sent off mere minutes after coming on for a stomping lunge. Alex King had no hestiation to pull out the red card to setup a grandstand derby finish. Andrew Redmayne became the 8th player in Alex King's notebook, his timewasting finally being punished in the 2nd minute of stoppage time.

    Milanovic had been all but invisible all evening, he popped up in the 95th minute on the end of a cross that beat Grant but the contact was weak and the ball was snaffled by Redmayne. The dying seconds saw a pair of corners that even the Wanderers debutante keeper went up for, but it was to no avail as Sydney FC held on, claimed the 3 points and derby bragging rights and put the Stajcic era off on the wrong foot. It was a deserved loss for the home side, who managed just three shots on target, looked devoid of creativity for much of the game and had trouble maintaining defensive shape in the midfield & backline.

    The Wanderers next match is against Western United at the Wyndham Regional facility on Sunday the 27th of October with kick-off at 4pm Sydney time.


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    StringerBellend

    Posted

    37 minutes ago, Davo said:

    He’s been great in preseason and was universally praised on here for his performances in the Cup, but one bad game against one of the strongest teams in the comp, with almost zero protection from the midfield and suddenly he’s being compared to the worst CB we’ve ever had.

    I’m used to you going full Eeyore in the post match threads but this feels a bit much.

    Fair enough

     

     

     

    He did look good against a bunch of Uber drivers  

    matty

    Posted

    Count me in the negative side. That's normal for me but I love to be proven wrong and actively look for hope. I didn't see much. 

    We didn't look very good at all. We lacked cohesion, lacked an obvious plan and worst of all lacked tenacity. Seems like the same old, fighting-to-make-the-six kinda season. 

    But hey, our coach seems like a nicer guy 🙄

    PedroPony

    Posted

    3 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

    On the subject at negativity, if you are still going to WSW games then you are nowhere near the most negative. Most people gave up years ago 

    Good point. 

    Maybe what I'm trying to get at is that there is a decent chance that no more than 5 teams have their **** together. We could be the best of the teams that don't. Lofty ambitions. 

    And if anyone is following the Perth game, well I'm thinking we are doing better than them at least.

    matty

    Posted

    3 minutes ago, PedroPony said:

    Good point. 

    Maybe what I'm trying to get at is that there is a decent chance that no more than 5 teams have their **** together. We could be the best of the teams that don't. Lofty ambitions. 

    And if anyone is following the Perth game, well I'm thinking we are doing better than them at least.

    For now 🙃

    PedroPony

    Posted

    Oh and  don't forget that many on here wanted Zdrillic to he our coach. As I type this they are losing 6-0 to the bulls with 20mins remaining.

    TwoLeftFoots

    Posted

    1 minute ago, PedroPony said:

    Oh and  don't forget that many on here wanted Zdrillic to he our coach. As I type this they are losing 6-0 to the bulls with 20mins remaining.

    Last goal wins though... so let's see what happens

    PedroPony

    Posted

    3 minutes ago, TwoLeftFoots said:

    Last goal wins though... so let's see what happens

    Ah yes I see that Perth have turned a corner now. 

    BohemianDublin

    Posted

    So I remember a few seasons ago, when we were poor and they were quiet good.
    We didn't win a Derby for what felt like 10 games in a row.

    The youngest BD was about 10.
    "Dad, will we ever beat them"
    [he said in anguish with the desperation only a little kids face can muster]
    "Yeah, we will son"
    [said not completely confidently]
    And then next game we did (think it was the 1-0 at Olympic Stadium).

    Not at lot has changed.

    We're completely unpredictable.
    Anything is possible.
    However as long as we continue to do high-risk, unnecessary stuff,
    well, we'll get stuffed.

    Sydney will play with a 4 or 5 man high press.
    They always do.
    So WHY, would we bollocks about with the football close to our goal?
    [that first goal was a killer].

    Clisby.
    He means well.
    [if you were having a quiet word with Jack before the game]
    Ok, Jack, run forwards into space, and JUST cross the ball.
    [poor lad couldn't cross the road without his mother holding his hand]

    Korean bloke was alright. He'll get better.
    Bulgarian guy is good. Causes chaos, in a good way.
    Hammond, I like this kid.

     

    Zelinsky

    Posted (edited)

    I fear that by round 3 @StringerBellend will be on the drip and by round 6 in a mental ward, screaming the words Borda, Clisby and Brilliante. Mate, I’d you don’t make it through this season: I’ll be at the funeral 

     

    Edited by Zelinsky
    StringerBellend

    Posted

    2 hours ago, PedroPony said:

    Oh and  don't forget that many on here wanted Zdrillic to he our coach. As I type this they are losing 6-0 to the bulls with 20mins remaining.

    Stajic set the foundations.

    yes I know it's a ridiculous thing to blame him

     

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    2 hours ago, PedroPony said:

    Ah yes I see that Perth have turned a corner now.

    Like us they have turned so many corners that they now dizzy but going in the same direction.

    I admir I wanted zdrilla over ataj. Let's see where we end up. 

    We have the stajman now so best get behind him.

     

    PedroPony

    Posted

    7 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    Stajic set the foundations.

    yes I know it's a ridiculous thing to blame him

     

    Yep. In that scenario rudan is to blame for last night. Or Carl, or JP, or the cool German dude, or Gumby. Actually maybe it was all Popa's fault.

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    16 minutes ago, PedroPony said:

    Yep. In that scenario rudan is to blame for last night. Or Carl, or JP, or the cool German dude, or Gumby. Actually maybe it was all Popa's fault.

    Although how much ridiculous it is than say Stajic taking credit for Montgomery winning stuff with the Mariners I'm not sure 

    He was cool DJ Bavaria wasn't he 

    mack

    Posted

    17 minutes ago, PedroPony said:

    Yep. In that scenario rudan is to blame for last night. Or Carl, or JP, or the cool German dude, or Gumby. Actually maybe it was all Popa's fault.

    Ultimately it's the fault of Clive Palmer for getting Gold Coast United kicked out.

    Themumf79

    Posted

    To paraphrase Alan Hansen, you won’t win anything with Clisby, Brillante and Cleur. 
     

    If the only positive is that we didn’t get battered, then something is wrong. We knew what we were getting with Staj. He is a middle of the road coach. He isn’t a winner. That’s just one man’s opinion but I’m sticking with it.

    PedroPony

    Posted

    29 minutes ago, mack said:

    Ultimately it's the fault of Clive Palmer for getting Gold Coast United kicked out.

    I still long for the days of Sydney Rovers. We are just a sad attempt to resuscitate them. The mighty black white and reds.

    Kotallo

    Posted

    My scapegoat of the evening was Antonsson. Time after time he comes on and blows big chances in pressure situations, as he did in the last couple of minutes last night. He is surplus to requirements in the forward line and if we replaced him with a Hendrix-type midfielder we would be looking a lot better. The defence is problematic but our midfield is heaping pressure on them IMO.

    I don't think we will have a tougher opponent this year than the smurfs. As others have said, the next three rounds will be the real litmus test.

    Potkorok

    Posted

    23 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

    Costa was excellent. Maybe other people watch the same game Stajic watched as I'm convinced he doesn't watch the same game as us. 

    Do coaches ever watch the same game as us lol??

    SNS100

    Posted

    12 hours ago, Kotallo said:

    My scapegoat of the evening was Antonsson

    Is there a stat on how many duels has won? Every single time the ball gets played to either his feet, or in the air, he loses out. He can't hold onto the ball with his back to goal. He is pretty useless when facing towards our goal. Lacks balance. Slow to the ball. Other than a good showing at Marconi Stadium, last seasons Australia Cup... I haven't seen a reason to persist with him. That penalty miss late last season was a sign of a player who doesn't event look like scoring. 

    Did we make him into a useless striker, or he has always been this way?

    Thumbs up to our now infamous recruiting team. 

    Oh, and our Korean friend Jeong Tae-wook is an early candidate for 'worst visa player signing... The Borda Award'
     

    Kotallo

    Posted

    26 minutes ago, SNS100 said:

     Oh, and our Korean friend Jeong Tae-wook is an early candidate for 'worst visa player signing... The Borda Award'
     

    This is Seyi Adeleke erasure!

    SBW

    Posted

    On 19/10/2024 at 10:40 PM, BoyFromTheWest said:

    They bought to win not to develop players like most clubs have decided to do.

    Thats how they have always been, they tried the development route and that hasn't them anything so they have gone back to buying players. We tried to follow that but we can't seem to get it right.

    On 19/10/2024 at 10:46 PM, Upthehill said:

    This was my biggest take away from tonight. Holliday was more productive tonight at LB than Clisby has been in all of last season.

    I'm not stressed about Mata, Borello or Mila. Our defence and midfield isn't able to get the ball into workable positions.  Mata loked really lively on the end of the attack when he was actually given something to do. He looked great for 10 minutes because he dropped deeper to get on the ball.

    Pelekanos did a decent job at progessing the ball when he came on, but I still have major questions about running a 2 man midfield with the (lack of) quality we have.

    Broadly speaking, our squad just isnt there at all. Sydney started with all 5 foreign players, yet 3 of our 4 dont cut the mustard in the biggest game on the fixture list? And wookie has a hell of a lot to answer for in this scoreline. I really hoped Staj had some answers, but it seems pretty clear to me that my preseason worries about recruiting not matching the structure were accurate 

    I think what you are going to get with Staj and he has mentioned this in the forum, he's going to start more young players, and there was also a suggestion that we are going to have less signings and more youth players coming through over the coming years

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    18 minutes ago, SBW said:

     

    I think what you are going to get with Staj and he has mentioned this in the forum, he's going to start more young players, and there was also a suggestion that we are going to have less signings and more youth players coming through over the coming years

    Hope so, long as it isn't at the expense of actually winning stuff. 

    I can't see Staj lasting the season (but I hope I'm wrong)

    MartinTyler

    Posted

    2 hours ago, Potkorok said:

    But in all seriousness, if ever there was a time for long balls and clearances it was this one - it was suicidal to keep playing out from the back and that is on the coach.

    Actually we played a lot of long balls 

    Upthehill

    Posted

    1 hour ago, StringerBellend said:

    Hope so, long as it isn't at the expense of actually winning stuff. 

    I can't see Staj lasting the season (but I hope I'm wrong)

    Exactly.

    The current quality of our crop doesn't have trophies written all over it

    WHACKO

    Posted

    1 hour ago, StringerBellend said:

    Hope so, long as it isn't at the expense of actually winning stuff. 

    I can't see Staj lasting the season (but I hope I'm wrong)

    He's only got a one year contract.     If that's correct. 

    So what does he have to do to keep the job.

    I can't see us winning anything and I'm undecided yet if we can make finals.

    So what will it take. 

    MartinTyler

    Posted (edited)

    OK just a few thoughts and I'm not going to join the "doom and gloom" club, nor the happy clappers set. Anyway, it was great to be back at Parramatta with a vibrant atmosphere although once again the crowd was overstated by the usual percentage.

    Before the game I always thought that Sydney were going in better prepared due to ACL commitments and that was indeed the case. However, to be honest a slightly underprepared Sydney would have probably taken the points as well. With Priestman missing I was pleased to see Scicluna in the line-up for his combative approach but I feel that his distribution let him down on Saturday night.

    Talking of distribution, Clisby had an absolute shocker on that front and I'm usually one who can tolerate his inclusion so hopefully we can find better. I may be in the minority here but I actually thought that Brillante had a decent game. Milanovic was disappointing given expectations and I still believe that Sapsford is too lightweight for this level.

    Hammond provided several bright moments but Borello is struggling and desperately needs a goal. Now on to our defence; sitting up high behind the RBB allows a great opportunity to see the build up from the back, particularly in the first half. I can see what Staj is trying to do but I feel that we don't have the troops to carry this out effectively and I felt very uncomfortable every time we had a goal kick.

    The Korean guy is decent but he's no Marcello or even a Mrcela and doesn't dominate in the same way. Whilst it's obvious that Antonsson is out of favour it's very disconcerting to have 3 of our 4 imports sitting on the bench so I'm hoping it's only a fitness issue with the other 2. In conclusion, whilst Sydney are going to be the benchmark it's going to be tough for us to claim a top 4 spot with the current squad. There were some promising signs but not enough of them.

    Edited by mack
    added some paragraphs
    pseudonym

    Posted

    33 minutes ago, WHACKO said:

    So what does he have to do to keep the job.

    In my opinion

    1. Stay in contention for finals - i.e. the last game of the season (Macarthur away) - there should be something at stake - "win and we make the top 6 and wait on Sunday results"
    2. If a player has performed poorly, they should be dropped in favour of a young player - e.g. Clisby (off) Holliday (on)
    3. Motivation - if we concede a goal, the players shouldn't be panicking and passing out from the back just because they can't think of anything else to do 



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