Doka Penalty Wins It For Mariners

If I want to watch **** football and have a sense of injustice then I have Everton for that. Maybe we can get on with playing some footy 

Borello got matched up against Kaltak and Dan Hall probably the fastest backline in the comp. And his just getting back from fitness so in the end was just shut out.

Aside from Milanovic Cannon in the first half that Vukovic saved we didn't really create anything.

Mariners on the hand created 4 great chances prior to the pen. That 1v1 that Margush saved 1st half and then 3 Edmondson had. That was the difference today. Kuol was an absolute pest that was just cutting out any lazy passes or lingering on the ball.

This is why I refrain from complaining about the ref. It deflects from the clear weakness in the squad. The Farrell tackle 100% frustrates me but its out of our control.

I can only judge on our team performance and we just didn't do enough to get the points today. I think even with Mariners at 10 men we wouldn't have been able to score, the system being played and the personel just don't have the creativity to open teams up.

6 minutes ago, Upthehill said:

For me a lot of these issues boil down to the fact we cant move the ball through the middle at all. It's super simple to cover Mila and Brook because their extra midfielder covers the width. I know we have the second 9 dropping in at 10, but Brillante just isnt capable of pushing the balol forwards at all. I did a little count tonight and stopped bothering at 3 forward passes to 14 backwards. What wasnt counting 1-2s with the CB, those were pass he'd received from in front or next to him.

If thats Rudan's instruction, its a monumentally stupid one. We cant connect the DMs to the 10 in any effectual manner unless we start taking some risks there.

By contrast, Nisbet tonight did that relatively well, even if it resulted in a few turn overs. Mariners just had DiPizio and Reec in front which isnt a massive amount quality

Well this 100% accurate. We are now 6th. 3 points away from City. Its gotten bad now.

28 minutes ago, Sithslayer1991 said:

Well this 100% accurate. We are now 6th. 3 points away from City. Its gotten bad now.

It will be Eetswa

Won't it?

Please someone 

I'd start Badalato then sub on Barello

What was everyones thoughts on Skittels? To be honest I didnt see much to write home about there. Again, our DMs we'rent able to get him the ball centrally, but there wasnt much to get excited about

3 hours ago, Sithslayer1991 said:

 

The pen comes from his mistake and Cluer trying to cover off balance but he gets the ball that slit second late.

Yep you would expect a player of his expertise and experience easily to slide and cut that out for a throw in or corner for some reason he let himself get beat when he could have easily have slid for the ball, it was really terrible defending. 

3 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

Ok I seem to be on my own here 

So to be clear of course the referee shafted us and the game might have been different. Same the other week with the Bulls.

But that second half performance was absolute crap, that's not the referee.

We have been playing dreadful and stupid football for weeks now.

The Mariners were.by far the better team second half that's what lost it  

Not on your own it wasn’t great at there today.  Brillante is done ✅ the only way he can contribute is defensively, from build up and attacking sense he offers nothing, Pereiras as Mack said in the match thread his pass went 20 metres when half my over 35’s team could play that ball another one who is generally ineffective and even Ninko who I have been asking to see was just a passenger out there I think I saw him touch the ball 3 times if that. Too many ineffective players at the moment. 
 

The referees have killed us last 3 weeks but same time we are average, i don’t think it’s panic stations yet but it’s not far off. Reality is the league is as even as it’s ever been - no one outside the nix can claim to be confident of making the grand final so all isn’t lost yet, good thing is Adelaide is as bad as us at moment 😉

JPdM press conference:

https://aleagues.com.au/videos/id/jean-paul-de-marigny-press-conference-central-coast-mariners-v-western-sydney-wanderers/6347150154112/

17 minutes ago, GE942150 said:

JPdM press conference:

https://aleagues.com.au/videos/id/jean-paul-de-marigny-press-conference-central-coast-mariners-v-western-sydney-wanderers/6347150154112/

 

Thanks

Underwhelming

2 minutes ago, matty said:

Thanks

Underwhelming

Yep. Although there isn't much he can say about the calls given the events of the past 2 weeks.

Coaching staff has been gagged. We might as well be living in a dictatorship.

When Hendrix isn’t there, the gap between defence and attack is insane. Brillante and priestman were both sitting so deep.  Especially from our goal kicks, Brillante would go out to the right back and priestman would be left in the middle on his own with only Borrello in front of him and the wingers hugging the touch line, so he is forced to drop deeper to receive the ball. Even when Kittel came on, we seemed to be persisting with this 4-4-2 meaning that he was more of a striker next to Borrello rather than a number 10. These strikers are literally on a graveyard shift, they get nothing up there other than the occasional long ball from Marcelo. Antonsson has 5 goals in 17 games, Borrello is 0 from 7 and Badolato is 0 from 10, so it’s clear that the narrative of our strikers being rubbish is not entirely true. You could put Haaland and Mbappe up there and they wouldn’t score because you can’t do that without the ball.

Notice that in the two games since Hendrix has been back from injury we scored 6 goals, because he is able to pivot quickly and move it forward. Yes we were conceding but you can’t help but think the forced chopping and changing with the backline doesn’t help. Today without him we barely get a look in. The formation has to change to take the pressure off Hendrix, going back to the ol’ reliable 4-2-3-1 might be our best bet. 
 

Also, if the league doesn’t want us to think that there is an agenda, they aren’t helping themselves. We get screwed over against bulls with the Germain incident at 1-1, we’re 2-1 up when Russell is wrongly sent off, and now it’s 0-0 when Farrell should’ve been sent off, and if that happens the game is ours for the taking. Yes we can play better but Jesus it’s difficult to win games at the best of times let alone when everything is going against you. What’s it going to take to get some consistency with the refereeing?

9 hours ago, apvz said:

These strikers are literally on a graveyard shift, they get nothing up there other than the occasional long ball from Marcelo. Antonsson has 5 goals in 17 games, Borrello is 0 from 7 and Badolato is 0 from 10, so it’s clear that the narrative of our strikers being rubbish is not entirely true. You could put Haaland and Mbappe up there and they wouldn’t score because you can’t do that without the ball.

FWIW I have the same observation as you… 

remember Haiti he had way less talent than Brooke, Milanovic etc but he would play smart 

sometimes these guys act like they are trying to win player of the game and not win the game itself. 

Had Mariners gone down to 10 men and the way he played in the 2nd half, we probably still would have lost that game.

We created absolute F all in the 2nd half and Mariners just out-muscled us all over the field.

As for the penalty, hard for me to believe that was a pen but Cleur just looked like he was a kangaroo caught in a headlight and had no idea what he was doing. 

I believe we are getting some players back from suspension for the next game?

10 minutes ago, SBW said:

Had Mariners gone down to 10 men and the way he played in the 2nd half, we probably still would have lost that game.

We created absolute F all in the 2nd half and Mariners just out-muscled us all over the field.

As for the penalty, hard for me to believe that was a pen but Cleur just looked like he was a kangaroo caught in a headlight and had no idea what he was doing. 

I believe we are getting some players back from suspension for the next game?

Simmons and Hendrix are back this week. Beadling back for derby. Thomas either this week or next week. Bonetig, who knows.

Russell also back this week

52 minutes ago, William said:

Russell also back this week

Not sure that's any advantage given his current form

Sciclina has not put a foot wrong in any of his sub appearances this season. He was outstanding yesterday. I'd like to see him given a crack at left back.

Pretty harsh to rubbish the players on the park yesterday to be honest, we had a makeshift defensive line with plenty of talent missing and that means plenty of other playing out of position and also many who have not had much game time being expected to play decent minutes on a pretty muggy afternoon on a shitty bumpy pitch so can't blame them because I think they are having a go. 

What does piss me off though is yea we have been ****ed over last few weeks and yesterday was another clear send off not going our way, but the coach and management (right up to Lederer) have taken this angle and now it is in the players heads.  We were travelling ok yesterday, dominated possession, created a couple of half chances and looked pretty good even though we got caught on the break a bit as expected with the makeshift defensive line but then after the 'no send off' the mentality changed, we were barking at referees, getting niggly and you could see the sense of injustice on these guys faces as they didn't want to dive in, they lost physicality and they worried so much about the injustice going on they did not have minds on the game.  Passes went astray, movement stopped, we were not getting second balls, all the things we were doing early on.

So while I will say I am not a Rudan fan, but I do think he had a definite case to say what he said, it is plain for everyone to see but the problem is now, how do we deal with it when it happens again, as it will, and did yesterday?  He is 100% spot on we have been shafted 3 weeks in a row now and maybe even 2 games early on in the season as well.  When fans think that no problem, when players start thinking that big problem.  He has to get us out of it now because yes refs are failing but reality is so are his tactics. 

19 minutes ago, scarcev said:

you could see the sense of injustice on these guys faces as they didn't want to dive in, they lost physicality and they worried so much about the injustice going on they did not have minds on the game

Is that what it was? Or do they just know that if they are remotely physical or in any 50-50 calls they are very likely to see red? That in itself is a pretty big motivator.

But agree the coaching/tactics/psychology needs to change to help them get past that.

7 minutes ago, Potkorok said:

Is that what it was? Or do they just know that if they are remotely physical or in any 50-50 calls they are very likely to see red? That in itself is a pretty big motivator.

But agree the coaching/tactics/psychology needs to change to help them get past that.

probably both mate but when you are thinking about either of those how are you thinking about doing your job?

2 hours ago, William said:

Russell also back this week

just what we need

Did some calculations on Jacob Farrell's yellow card count (22yc in 67g) and figured he's on track to smash the record for most yellow cards by an A-League player if he stays in the league and doesn't miss many games.

Andrew Durante played 358 games to reach his 85 yellow cards, in 15 seasons playing until he was 40 years old. Farrell will hit that by the time he's 27 and only take 260 games.

Easily the dirtiest player since Rhyan Grant.

Heaps of people were posting after the game that we can't say we're hard done by because we committed more fouls than the Mariners but they got 4 yellows and we got none.

Firstly, Vukovic's one doesn't count in that argument because it was for time wasting rather than a foul. The other three yellows were Farrell, who should have seen red, Hall, who made contact with a high foot after the ball was gone, and Theoharous, who tried to kick Brook's leg off after getting mad that he didn't get an earlier foul.

Meanwhile none of our players committed any fouls they could point to that should have been yellow, no cynical fouls to stop a counter, and none of our players committed more than three fouls in the whole game.

Mariners also had a player put themselves in the way of a quick free kick and not get punished with a YC for it as well and Dan Hall was lucky not to be sent off for a 2nd YC after his obvious timewasting in stoppage time, pretending to be injured but being off the field, so he rolled himself back onto the pitch and went down again to delay the game.

Just a few random thoughts about yesterday and the weekend's football in general.

1) Paramount+ is getting worse for me regardless of which method I use to watch it on my TV. Ended up watching yesterday's game and Saturday's big game on 10 Bold.

2) With the exception of Simon Hill and Daniel McBreen I'm finding the commentators incredibly boring. Doesn't help when some of them are asked to do 2/3 games a weekend and you just have to listen to the same old cliched tripe.

3) Atrocious (possibly dangerous) playing surfaces at Allianz and Gosford showing once again that the A League is a 2nd class citizen. Even AAMI wasn't that flash.

On to yesterday's game. Initially I thought we were no hope with the patched up defence but when I saw that the Mariners had a key attacker out my hopes were raised. We shaded it until the Antonsson incident but all downhill from there and in the end the Mariners just about deserved it albeit by a lucky penalty. Previously I haven't been as critical of the team as some have but recently we have fallen back into that old pattern from last season of having a good 1st half but offering little in the second. If there was a game where we could have pressed home an advantage it was this one. Injuries and suspensions are killing us at the moment but individually:

Marcelo is getting slower and needs a pacy partner 

Brillante offers nothing going forward

Priestman is struggling now after his early promise

Brillante and Priestman are too similar in there playing style and there's only room for 1.

We miss Hendrix badly when he's not on the field.

Borello isn't anywhere near match fit yet

Kittel isn't match fit yet (I'm hoping it's that and not apathy)

Pierias has gone back to his bad old days

I thought that Brook, Badolato and Milanovic had their moments but unable to sustain it for long periods. In fact the whole team appears incapable of sustaining intensity for the full 90+ minutes.

I was impressed with Scicluna's efforts and finally.......Farrell should have seen a red card.

19 minutes ago, MartinTyler said:

Kittel isn't match fit yet (I'm hoping it's that and not apathy)

He also has to get used to our pitches. They're harder underfoot than overseas pitches, and then you get surfaces like Gosford where the ground cuts up massively.

It's a miracle that we didn't pick up a serious injury due to the surface.

Seen people on this forum already writing off Kittel. He's playing for a new team in a new country, has only two substitute appearances for a total of 32 minutes, one of which was partly playing with 10 men and partly playing with 9 men. Already has an assist.

Maybe he won't work out, but it's way too early to tell.

1 hour ago, Davo said:

Heaps of people were posting after the game that we can't say we're hard done by because we committed more fouls than the Mariners but they got 4 yellows and we got none.

Meanwhile none of our players committed any fouls they could point to that should have been yellow, no cynical fouls to stop a counter, and none of our players committed more than three fouls in the whole game.

Interested that Cleur didn't get a yellow but Tate did last week for a lesser foul - second yellow. No consistency!!