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    Melbourne Victory won an entertaining but ragged 5-4 match against the Western Sydney Wanderers tonight in Melbourne. Victory ran out to a mammoth 5-1 lead before the Wanderers charged back very late on but failed to find a last minute equaliser, the loss now the 6th game in a row the Wanderers have failed to win and heaping pressure on their top 6 position and the position of coach Carl Robinson.

    The Wanderers, coming into the game on the back of a poor loss against Brisbane Roar, were desperate to take all three points against the cellar dwelling Victory. Melbourne had sacked Grant Brebner following their disastrous 7-0 loss against their rivals Melbourne City. They made a host of changes, the most significant was the return of giant striker Rudy Gestede who had missed 5 previous games. The Wanderers bought in Jordan O'Doherty with Keanu Baccus left out. The biggest change for either side was revealed after kick-off, with Carl Robinson ditching his ineffective 5 man defensive unit, playing a regulation 4 at the back with Ziggy Gordon shifting over to right back.

    Western Sydney started brightly, on top for the first 5 minutes and eventually finding the first attack of the game, Bruce Kamau turning back inside from the byline to find O'Doherty who shot from outside the penalty area with a ball that curved away from goal rather than toward it. Mitch Duke had the radar off with his shot on the turn, a left footed strike that fizzed past the far post. Duke had a glorious chance very soon after, Troisi was free in midfield and found a perfect through ball for the striker, all he needed was a basic first touch then a strike but his touch let him down and it rolled away for a goal kick. 12 minutes in and it was Ibini on the ball, shooting from long range and forcing Matt Acton into a spill.

    As is oh so common for the Wanderers, their failed chances came back to haunt them. Robbie Kruse beat Graham Dorrans with his run on the right wing, the midfielder failing to cut down Kruse with a lunging tackle. Kruse strode into the paddock of open space, getting past Ziegler then playing a one-two pass with Callum McManaman that took advantage of Ziegler closing down the English midfielder. Margush closed down Kruse which allowed a lob to the back post. Ben Folami steadied on his right foot, shot through a diving tackle by Gordon and past the defenders on the line to open the scoring. 

    Victory doubled their lead in the 26th minute. Another Victory attack saw Gordon have to leap to knock the ball out for a corner, and the Victory took advantage of a void where the Wanderers defence was meant to be from the set piece. A simple in-swinging corner that fell into the 6 yard box and somehow Storm Roux was left unmarked and he made no mistake with the header, banging it into the turf for 2-0. The shambolic defending nearly saw the scoreline become 3-0, as they played out from the restart, lost the ball and an unmarked Kruse fired a shot into the legs of Margush.

    The Wanderers shrugged off their shellshock long enough to pull a goal back in the 30th. Kamau played a neat interchange with Mitch Duke before the winger's cutback found the feet of Troisi and his right foot shot hammered onto the underside of the crossbar with a thud to give the Wanderers a lifeline before half-time. O'Doherty should have earned a penalty in the 38th minute, he was clearly tripped inside the box by Brandon Lauton. Alireza Faghani was unimpressed, waved it away and despite clear evidence to the contrary, the VAR declined to reverse the bad decision.

    Despite the first warning from Storm Roux, the Wanderers conceded another simple goal from a set piece. Late in stoppage time McGowan picked up a yellow card for blocking Kruse from making a further run, the side managed to stop conceding from the free kick, but couldn't perform the same duty from the corner that resulted from it. This time it was a right footed out-swinger from Jake Brimmer that went deep past most of the attacking pack. Gordon was in place to clear away the cross but he slipped over at the vital moment, giving Folami a saloon passage and a free look at goal, the right footed jumping volley just beat the diving Margush to make it 3-1 at the half.

    The first chance of the second half fell to Mitch Duke. Troisi continued his decent game by putting in a well aimed, fast cross at head level for Duke's run, his slicing header fell agonisingly wide. Gordon had the chance to make amends for his set piece slip after 50 minutes, his header was spilled by Acton and only just cleared away before the Wanderers could get a shot off. Another 6 yard box pinball resulted in shots Duke and then Ibini, with Acton tipping the ball just past the onrushing boot of Kamau.

    A tale of two fouls set the scene for the next scoring opportunity in the 63rd minute. At the Victory end, Kamau tiptoed past the Victory defence before being pulled down from behind. Somehow the referee didn't see the foul and waved play on. Folami went up the other end, dribbling the entire half before being cut down by Gordon. Margush faced up to Jake Brimmer, picked the right way to dive and saved the poorly taken penalty. It didn't help the Wanderers much as they copped yet another set piece goal from the corner restart. A simple near post flick on streaked on to thefar post, Gordon had lost his marker Dylan Ryan and the young defender had a tap-in to make it 4-1.

    Jacob Butterfield got in on the scoring act for the Victory in the 72nd minute. Gestede was back to goal on the edge of the area, passed it back to Butterfield, who was allowed to take multiple touches to bring it onto his left foot and rocketed the ball into the top corner, leaving Margush standing like a rock in his goal. Kruse gave away a penalty in the 75th minute, blotting the copybook on his solid night. He jumped to block a cross with his hands out and gave Faghani no choice but to punish the offence with a spot kick. Dorrans stepped up to take the penalty, calming slotting it straight down the middle with Acton having dived to his left. At 5-2 with 15 to go, it was likely to be nothing more than a consolation goal.

    With 4 minutes left in the regulation 90 the Wanderers pulled back another goal, making it 5-3 through Mitch Duke who rose with perfect timing buried a powerful header, then as stoppage time loomed the Wanderers miraculously pulled the game back to 5-4. Nicolai Muller having come on as a substitute, had the ball deflect into his path and he hit an instinctive first time volley from at least 30 yards that arrowed into the net like a tracer bullet.

    From the restart the Victory fell to pieces, giving up possession, and the Wanderers should have equalised, but instead of a cutback to an open Duke, the ball was kept at the feet and then cleared away. Kamau then had the final chance of the game, Troisi firing a low cross that found Kamau's feet, he turned and flashed his shot just wide as 94 minutes ticked over and the Victory bought on a final time-wasting substitute to run out the clock.

    Melbourne had got away with the win as time ran short for the Wanderers, the 4 goals and the good finish papering over the cracks of their abysmal, pathetic defence. The total inability of the side to stop chances at set pieces is costing the Wanderers matches almost weekly, and is simply not good enough this long into the season. While Robinson did switch from the ineffective 5 at the back, his selection decisions were baffling, pushing Ziggy Gordon who had been the best of our central defenders to the wing, and selecting a pairing of McGowan and Ziegler in the middle, two players who have rarely managed to put together a single game without giving away a penalty, a goal from poor positioning or showing lack of effort. McGowan is not stepping up like a Captain of the Western Sydney Wanderers should be. The club has now gone 6 games without a win, and have a Sydney Derby coming the portents suggest that stretch will become 7 next Saturday.

    Carl Robinson might be in his first season at the Wanderers but his job is far from secure, the supporters are sick of coaches who cannot keep a well discipline defensive structure in place, because it is defence that keeps a team in the top echelon of the league. While I would be surprised if he was sacked by Lederer and the rest of the clowns making the decisions, Sydney FC is unlikely to gift the Wanderers as many opportunities to score and a big loss in the Derby may prove fatal to his tenure.

    The Wanderers next match is against Sydney FC at Parramatta on Saturday 1st May, kick-off at 7:10 PM.


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    EmMac

    Posted

    7 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

    It was over 2 weeks ago.. what a cluster **** the problem is deeper then CR. We are now on manager 4.

    The common denominators are JT and Lederer

    The fish head is rotten

    At the least get a director of football in there who can assess stuff with a football brain (as has been suggested on this forum by better minds than mine). Because clearly they can't differentiate between quality and substance, and someone with the gift of the gab pulling the wool over their eyes. 

    Upthehill

    Posted (edited)

    12 minutes ago, GD07 said:

    Omnishambles. We need more than a manager change this time, root and branch clear out needed. 

    You reckon? Feels to me like a bud is very much Robbo the clowns issue. Along side that is a hilariously **** defence. I’d be happy moving forward with 90% of this squad. But McGowan can go swim in a rip at bondi 

    Edited by Upthehill
    marron

    Posted

    Agree with the squad thing mostly but thing is JT and PL will pull the trigger, again,  meaning we get another untried coach who will want to change the personnel, again, meaning next season will be no different to this, again. CR is out of his depth clearly but you have to start asking how thet keep getting this crucial appointment so wrong- and ******* it up when it's right. 

    Unlimited

    Posted

    Hi everyone, I am in Melbourne so can report on the game:

    Worked remotely from the Melbourne office yesterday. At 5.30 I got told that there were drinks and I got invited as a guest of the Melbourne office, so I thought I’d make an appearance.

    Lost track of time, had about 10 drinks, ended up at a dumpling restaurant, taxi ride back to hotel around midnight...

    Eventful night

    Passed out on the bed and watched the highlights this morning 

    On the one hand, great game for the neutral. On the other hand, 5-1 down is embarrassing and if I had been in the stadium, I would have been thinking “Wow, I skipped fun drinks and then paid money to watch this crap”.

    5-4 papers over it, but it’s clear Victory took their foot off the pedal after their fifth

     

    GD07

    Posted

    52 minutes ago, Upthehill said:

    You reckon? Feels to me like a bud is very much Robbo the clowns issue. Along side that is a hilariously **** defence. I’d be happy moving forward with 90% of this squad. But McGowan can go swim in a rip at bondi 

    Yep. New manager, new captain, JT gone. Bring in someone to look after the football side of things, the people in charge now haven’t shown any signs that they can cover that area. 
     

    has anyone got the stats on how many goals we’ve conceded with McGowan in/out of the side?

    Smoggy

    Posted

    One of the many, many things Wendy bangs on about is that we should suck it up as we have not suffered as long or as hard as others, mainly ESFC.

    If we miss out on finals football this season, as looks increasingly likely, this would be 5 continuous seasons without, is that right?

    How does this shape up to other clubs? 

    Billsonia

    Posted

    By Monday night WSW could easily be in 9th spot with every other team with games in hand

    There a possibility that is not even a ridiculous one that WSW may finish TENTH

    I

    sonar

    Posted

    15 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

    One of the many, many things Wendy bangs on about is that we should suck it up as we have not suffered as long or as hard as others, mainly ESFC.

    If we miss out on finals football this season, as looks increasingly likely, this would be 5 continuous seasons without, is that right?

    How does this shape up to other clubs? 

    Last season of Popa was the last time for finals.....2016/17 6th with the Jumpei choke in the pen shootout.

    2017/2018 Foxe/Gumby 7th

    2018/2019 Babbel 8th 

    2019/2020 Babbel 9th

    2020/2021 Robinson Who the **** knows.

    Smoggy

    Posted

    1 minute ago, sonar said:

    Last season of Popa was the last time for finals.....2016/17 6th with the Jumpei choke in the pen shootout.

    2017/2018 Foxe/Gumby 7th

    2018/2019 Babbel 8th 

    2019/2020 Babbel 9th

    2020/2021 Robinson Who the **** knows.

    Thanks, the poor seasons blur into one another, plus I was too lazy to work it out myself.

    jockman

    Posted

    I was definitely in the "CR in" camp not wanting to continue with the manager/squad revolving doors shambles we have suffered for so man seasons now ,and  on paper we have a squad that should at least be able to finish top 6. But honestly IMO recent performances where we seem  to be regressing have convinced me he is out of his depth and does not have what it takes to bring success to WSW  . Letting him stay for the remainder of the season while we sink lower and lower down the table as he clearly does not have what it takes to turn it around . Then give him another season next year for more of the same.    NO I am definitely in the "CR Out" camp now.

    As highlighted by many other forumites there is something fundamentally wrong with the club starting at the top...its all well and good having state of the art training facilities, great youth development system, excellent stadium etc etc etc. But surely in the end the measure of success is winning the league/finishing top 6/competing in finals. We consistently season after season do none of that !!! .  These are the measures of a "big" club which we constantly are told we are. Delusional, arrogant, incompetent, don't care just keep taking our money. I don't know what best describes the people running the club.  

    Another season looks like its over already, even having the pleasure of not losing to the SMURFS seems highly unlikely .

    Follow your team through good and bad times is all well and good, but we deserve better than this surely ?

    Zelinsky

    Posted

    10 hours ago, hughsey said:

    I was impressed by the way he spoke when he first joined Newcastle and was keen for him to come to WSW. Fox stuck a mic on him during a jets game and everyone thought he was amazing cause he acted to professionally. Looking back and at the situation unfolding now at WSW plus hearing from that White Caps fan, he’s all smoke and no fire. Seems he’s gotten by in his management career by simply crafting intelligent sentences and saying what people want to hear. When it comes to actually putting words into action, it all comes unstuck.

    In hindsight, it looks like he inherited a solid foundation from Merrick, and all he had to do was tinker. He said as much in an interview at some stage. Which would mean that Merrick is underrated, and CR is overrated. That’s what it looks like right now. 

    sonar

    Posted

    The positives are the youth Willmering, Natta,Aqualina,Russell,and Ziggy Gordon.

    The senior players should hang their heads in shame. 

    scarcev

    Posted

    Something has to change but you cant keep changing managers when things turn to ****, me I don't care if he goes or stays, probably doesn't deserve to stay but not assed to face another rebuild.  The players he has should be performing better and at some stage we need to bite the bullet with players instead of managers.  McGowan and Ziegler give us nothing.  When you have kids playing in the other defensive positions you rely on those tough, hardnosed defenders to pull them into line, Zielger and McGowan couldnt organise a f in a b with a fistful.  Look at the defending from corners and set pieces, FMD Storm Roux is what 5/7 and he gets an unchallenged header 6 yards out.  While other Clubs are stacking their midfield with Ninkovic, Diamanti, Luna, Noone, Goodwin we have Troisi who simply has nothing and gives us nothing.  Up front Ibini, well if he is depressed, he knows how I feel watching him play.  Lazy, cumbersome seems he has an on/off switch and plays mainly on dead batteries.  Duke well his last few have been ordinary, same as Mueller.  Not excluding the kids, Aquilina, Russell, Wilmering even Bacchus they have off days but you sort of expect that, it is our supposed big guns that give us nothing.

    VedranRozic

    Posted

    The constant tinkering with the line up does my head in. Maybe CR has too much choice?

    Oh and four at the back worked well. Just sayin....

    tardotz

    Posted

    We can blame the players and some deserve it. Troisi still thinks he is playing 10 years ago but in reality he cannot even get a corner past the first defender. Ziegler has never recovered from his injury, McGowan no excuse he should not be playing in the A league. Duke in the last few games he went off the boil but that happens and in other teams they would not select him until he recovers.

    The issue is CR is the one that selects the squad, he is the one that selects the formation and the one that sets the plan and he is the one that puts the subs in action........he has failed in all counts

    WHACKO

    Posted

    3 minutes ago, VedranRozic said:

    The constant tinkering with the line up does my head in. Maybe CR has too much choice?

    Oh and four at the back worked well. Just sayin....

    Having McGowan and Ziegler as 2 of a back 4 was never going to work, or was that Robbo's plan . To try it and say I tried it and it didn't work.

    Unlimited

    Posted

    2 hours ago, FCB said:

    In hindsight, it looks like he inherited a solid foundation from Merrick, and all he had to do was tinker. He said as much in an interview at some stage. Which would mean that Merrick is underrated, and CR is overrated. That’s what it looks like right now. 

    Soooooo #ErnieMerrickIn?

    Davo

    Posted (edited)

    4 hours ago, Smoggy said:

    One of the many, many things Wendy bangs on about is that we should suck it up as we have not suffered as long or as hard as others, mainly ESFC.

    If we miss out on finals football this season, as looks increasingly likely, this would be 5 continuous seasons without, is that right?

    How does this shape up to other clubs? 

    This is our ninth season as a club. From the 8 seasons we’ve finished this is how many times clubs have missed the finals (excluding WU):

    Brisbane & Victory - 1

    Adelaide, ESFC and City (both times as Heart) - 2

    Perth - 3

    WSW - 4

    Nix - 5

    CCM - 6

    Jets - 7

    If we miss the finals this year it’ll be the first time that we’ve fallen below 50% finals appearances with 4/9. It’d also be 2/7 for the current owners.

    Edited by Davo
    sonar

    Posted

    Tbh the senior players have to take the blame as well as the coach.  They know they can get a gig elsewhere if their performances go tits up.

    I'm not going to burn Natta,Willmering,Aqualina and Tate etc as even though they have made mistakes they themselves are not the reason for defeats. Tactics ( Robinson ) and defensive errors and laziness of senior players is the reason. I can see nothing but another wholesale cleanout coming.

    Smoggy

    Posted

    46 minutes ago, Davo said:

    It’d also be 2/7 for the current owners.

    A damning statistic if there ever were one.

    Carns

    Posted

    26 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

    A damning statistic if there ever were one.

    You'd also argue those 2 years were purely down to Popa. They inherited a good manager and basically just had to let him do his thing.

    Davo

    Posted

    40 minutes ago, Carns said:

    You'd also argue those 2 years were purely down to Popa. They inherited a good manager and basically just had to let him do his thing.

    The current owners first three seasons were ACL win/Club World Cup, 2nd and Grand Finalists, 6th and out in first final. For me that’s down to Popa and the players/systems that were already in place when they took over, showing a slow decline as the new owners had an influence. Since then it’s been 7th, 8th, 9th and whatever the hell this season ends up being.

    Smoggy

    Posted

    12 minutes ago, mack said:

    Lederer had zero influence on the success at the start. He'd only taken over 3 months before the ACL first leg. Our early success was done to Popa & the coaching staff, Adam Waterson the fitness coach who during that early success was the best strength & conditioning coach any professional sports team in Australia has ever seen and the players.

    I'd rate the supporters and the atmosphere they provided as being more useful to the club than anything Lederer has ever done.

    So...the fans need to buy out the club then eh lol

    Potkorok

    Posted

    5 hours ago, VedranRozic said:

    The constant tinkering with the line up does my head in. Maybe CR has too much choice?

    Oh and four at the back worked well. Just sayin....

    This explains CR’s success at Newcastle and difficulties with us i reckon. At Newcastle he had a limited squad with little or no depth. His job was essentially to galvanise a bunch of guys as the underdogs and the rest took care of itself. No formation shuffles or positional issues coz the run on 11 chose itself each week and only decisions prob related to injuries/suspensions. OTOH we have almost an embarrassment of riches, on paper at least and he just hasn’t got it right/hasn’t got the ability.

    Potkorok

    Posted

    6 hours ago, sonar said:

    Last season of Popa was the last time for finals.....2016/17 6th with the Jumpei choke in the pen shootout.

    2017/2018 Foxe/Gumby 7th

    2018/2019 Babbel 8th 

    2019/2020 Babbel 9th

    2020/2021 Robinson Who the **** knows.

    And for a club owned by several businessmen this isn’t good enough. Translate lack of finals appearances into losses or a tanking share price and any CEO overseeing this club would have been removed by now. Along with his or her inner circle. JT cannot stay if we don’t make the finals this year. I’d certainly argue he should have gone two seasons ago. Add to that CR and possibly some of his assistants, Troisi, Ibini, McGowan, Mutch and Muller. Then sign a big centre back, a proven finisher and get Muscat in as coach. Oh and finally employ a director of football FFS! Anyway my two cents.....

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    2 hours ago, Potkorok said:

    This explains CR’s success at Newcastle and difficulties with us i reckon. At Newcastle he had a limited squad with little or no depth. His job was essentially to galvanise a bunch of guys as the underdogs and the rest took care of itself. No formation shuffles or positional issues coz the run on 11 chose itself each week and only decisions prob related to injuries/suspensions. OTOH we have almost an embarrassment of riches, on paper at least and he just hasn’t got it right/hasn’t got the ability.

    We are an embarrassment not sure about the riches bit

    we are oversupplied in “ok” but largely ineffective players in the same position but reliant on kids for the backline 




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