City Held Off For Unite Round Wanderers Win

4 minutes ago, MartinTyler said:

You're on the right track there. Back in the day I felt that many coaches at rep level will pick athletes and turn them into footballers, both male and female. Some coaches hated their players playing Futsal in the summer as well. With Majok I do recall he'd broken into Mt Druitt Town Rangers 1st grade at an early age and was scoring a hatful of goals so I guess Wanderers took a punt on him as we were struggling up front at the time.

Sorry if this seems a silly question but why would a coach hate the players doing summer futsal...?

4 minutes ago, sonar said:

Sorry if this seems a silly question but why would a coach hate the players doing summer futsal...?

They will claim that players will get injured playing high level Futsal but my take is that they wanted total control of the players in their squad.

27 minutes ago, Keithie said:

So will the return of Borello offer up more goals from him or will his style of play offer up more opportunities for players who are currently in positions to score goals but are failing to finish this numerous opportunities as per the city game and previous games

Hopefully Borello will make a difference on his return but in many cases it's just confidence that makes the difference. Take Pierias.....who would have backed him to put away that chance on Friday?

We could also put in a bid for Maclaren......what a top game he had 

4 minutes ago, MartinTyler said:

Hopefully Borello will make a difference on his return

Return from injury could be against Adelaide on the 24th February or for the home derby on the 2nd March of 3 months is accurate.

37 minutes ago, MartinTyler said:

You're on the right track there. Back in the day I felt that many coaches at rep level will pick athletes and turn them into footballers, both male and female. Some coaches hated their players playing Futsal in the summer as well. With Majok I do recall he'd broken into Mt Druitt Town Rangers 1st grade at an early age and was scoring a hatful of goals so I guess Wanderers took a punt on him as we were struggling up front at the time.

Isn't that what differs us from AFL? AFL if you can run fast (and a lot) jump and catch, you can be turned into an AFL player. 

But for footy you need to develop your touch and awareness from a young age, it's not something that you can add (to a pro level) in your teens. 

Love others opinion on that @MartinTyler @andypk ..I remember my old man shaking his head and saying something like "not a footballer" after about 5 minutes of watching Majok.

It is an Aussie problem though favouring athletes over ball skill.

While we are on it Yeboah was a different thing,.he could play when he first came through at Brisbane, no idea what happened. 

Brooke has some Yeboah in him he was brilliants in the early games but it has disappeared now

50 minutes ago, MartinTyler said:

They will claim that players will get injured playing high level Futsal but my take is that they wanted total control of the players in their squad.

Yep, injuries, losing control of players, and (so the thinking goes) bad habits (eg flashy play, holding onto the ball too long rather than 'one touch passing'... I know it makes zero sense). 

I'd hazard a guess players like Majok were tall and powerful at a young age in comparison to their opponents. That gives a young player a tremendous advantage. Whatever people might think about football development, it's almost impossible not to be results driven.

There are also plenty of good ball players in youth teams. They get hacked, they're told to release early not hang onto the ball, if they overplay they get crucified. At least that's what it was like when I had skin in the game. 

You also have to have a combination of ball skills, athleticism, fitness, football intelligence, gritty determination, resilience, a huge work ethic etc. A lot excel at some of these qualities, but not enough to 'make it'...

1 hour ago, StringerBellend said:

But for footy you need to develop your touch and awareness from a young age, it's not something that you can add (to a pro level) in your teens. 

Love others opinion on that @MartinTyler @andypk ..I remember my old man shaking his head and saying something like "not a footballer" after about 5 minutes of watching Majok.

It is an Aussie problem though favouring athletes over ball skill.

 

I'm a huge advocate of developing touch at an early age. During a mid-life career crisis in my 40s I dabbled in a coaching franchise which focused significantly on developing a good first touch with all legitimate parts of the body in the younger age groups. It certainly is an Aussie problem but I believe that some of these techniques are in more widespread use these days so hopefully the next generation are better equipped. I also feel that we're behind the 8 ball when it comes to accuracy of passing. 

2 hours ago, Keithie said:

Brooke has some Yeboah in him he was brilliants in the early games but it has disappeared now

The 'Australian Winger Problem'. All the physical ability in the world but little end product. Right now we hasically have 3-4 wingers who all have the capability to progress the ball far beoyind the ability of opposition defenders to stop it (DP is too fast, Mila and Brook constantly running at people to send them backwards, Yuel is fast and phsycial). The issue is, so far theyve all lacked the ability to consistently bring other into the game to varying degrees. Pierias crossing is as accurate as a Hammas missile, Brook and Mila shoot a bit too often, and Yuel's positional work is suspect.

Look at our two most productive wide players from the last 12 months, Layouni and Ninko. You have to cover BOTH their passing lanes and dribbling options. Vastly different skill sets but both deadly because they know/knew how to bring in their team mates. 

Mila seems the closest to working this out. Even look at the Roos squad right now, McGree is the best at this. Goodwin and Silvera are finishers, Boyle wasnt schooled here, and Yengi is reliable as an Italian car so he doesnt count

21 minutes ago, Upthehill said:

The 'Australian Winger Problem'. All the physical ability in the world but little end product. Right now we hasically have 3-4 wingers who all have the capability to progress the ball far beoyind the ability of opposition defenders to stop it (DP is too fast, Mila and Brook constantly running at people to send them backwards, Yuel is fast and phsycial). The issue is, so far theyve all lacked the ability to consistently bring other into the game to varying degrees. Pierias crossing is as accurate as a Hammas missile, Brook and Mila shoot a bit too often, and Yuel's positional work is suspect.

Look at our two most productive wide players from the last 12 months, Layouni and Ninko. You have to cover BOTH their passing lanes and dribbling options. Vastly different skill sets but both deadly because they know/knew how to bring in their team mates. 

Mila seems the closest to working this out. Even look at the Roos squad right now, McGree is the best at this. Goodwin and Silvera are finishers, Boyle wasnt schooled here, and Yengi is reliable as an Italian car so he doesnt count

To be fair Milanovic and to a lesser degree Brook are comfortable on the ball can control it beat a man. I think Milanovic is going to be a really good player.

It's how anyone thought Majok would be a footballer when he couldn't control a ball.

Im not asking for Ninko level ball control but a first touch where the second touch isn't a tackle would be nice 

5 hours ago, Keithie said:

So will the return of Borello offer up more goals from him or will his style of play offer up more opportunities for players who are currently in positions to score goals but are failing to finish this numerous opportunities as per the city game and previous games

I would say a little from column  A and  B 

reality is the players can bang them in all the time they would cease to be playing in Australia. 

2 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

To be fair Milanovic and to a lesser degree Brook are comfortable on the ball can control it beat a man. I think Milanovic is going to be a really good player.

It's how anyone thought Majok would be a footballer when he couldn't control a ball.

Im not asking for Ninko level ball control but a first touch where the second touch isn't a tackle would be nice 

 

Im not being funny when I say this, I just spent 15 years playing in Sydney worst football team with @Wanderingbeersclub, and half our team had better ball control than Majok.

I might be complete arse at football, but it really isnt hard to learn how to drop a ball at your feet coming from and speed or angle. 

The other thing I see is that good players look up and read the game. Nink knows where the pass will go before he has the ball and gets himself into position to execute. Ono was brilliant at this - the ball was coming down and he was already aware of where it was going and how that would happen.

Our young fellows have to watch the ball, trap and take a touch of two, then it is to late to look up. Or they get it and run but struggle to look up and run so miss the players who need the ball. I watched and re-watched one of Adelaide's goals the other night. Halloran ran through onto a ball and first time across for Ibisuki. I looked and looked and couldn't see when he had looked up to see Ibisuki's. It was a lovely ball. We miss that.

51 minutes ago, BoyFromTheWest said:

The other thing I see is that good players look up and read the game. Nink knows where the pass will go before he has the ball and gets himself into position to execute. Ono was brilliant at this - the ball was coming down and he was already aware of where it was going and how that would happen.

Our young fellows have to watch the ball, trap and take a touch of two, then it is to late to look up. Or they get it and run but struggle to look up and run so miss the players who need the ball. I watched and re-watched one of Adelaide's goals the other night. Halloran ran through onto a ball and first time across for Ibisuki. I looked and looked and couldn't see when he had looked up to see Ibisuki's. It was a lovely ball. We miss that.

A+ observation. Its a massive difference between dribbling with your head up versus down. Sotirio is a perfect example. He has the tool kit to be over in europe somewhere but he never managed to learn how to dribble with his eyes up. Even park football is full of some insane footballers who never managed to learn this, so they lost their spots at representative clubs

15 hours ago, MartinTyler said:

You're on the right track there. Back in the day I felt that many coaches at rep level will pick athletes and turn them into footballers, both male and female. Some coaches hated their players playing Futsal in the summer as well. With Majok I do recall he'd broken into Mt Druitt Town Rangers 1st grade at an early age and was scoring a hatful of goals so I guess Wanderers took a punt on him as we were struggling up front at the time.

Hmmm how far back. I have story about Mitch Duke back in the day when my parents use to talk with his parents. Back when he was still in youth teams trying to make A-league he struggled to make some of the state league teams, one of the coaches I think Blacktown Spartans refused to have him in the team because " he couldn't dribble" and the coaches refused to develop that skill. His persistence is what got him the gig at Mariners but a lot of coaches in those junior squads just refused to look at him.

It depends on the clubs and coaches but majority in that u12-u15 level won't bother trying to put time into a player and just use the qualities they currently have that can lead to bad habits occurring in them not working on simple skills eg Majok and Yeboah who are quick but that's it. The coaches just want to win and won't develop the skills required to get better, they would rather leave that to private trainers. So far from pro players the only place that produced proper players was the AIS, but everywhere else 99% of coaches just choose, Big, tall and fast players because of pace and power it was easier to get the win.

Talking about this Younis also has this issue where he does what 90% of young quick players do. He looks to take on his player down the wing every time and the defender knows what he is going to do before he does it. Younis is too predictable and needs to vary his game, where as Badolato being in the setup for a while now knows how to position himself and choose when to go for it or when to keep possession. So Younis needs more time to develop because of this bad habit because no coach has told him otherwise, now his at A-league and needs add more diversity to his game at 18 when other kids have already got that skill based on the coaches they have had or how long they have been at the academy.

NOTE: I thought Badolato was a dud but the last few games (even against mariners) have showed me there is indeed a decent player there. That pass he gave Pierias was top class.

8 minutes ago, Sithslayer1991 said:

Hmmm how far back. I have story about Mitch Duke back in the day when my parents use to talk with his parents. Back when he was still in youth teams trying to make A-league he struggled to make some of the state league teams, one of the coaches I think Blacktown Spartans refused to have him in the team because " he couldn't dribble" and the coaches refused to develop that skill. His persistence is what got him the gig at Mariners but a lot of coaches in those junior squads just refused to look at him.

It depends on the clubs and coaches but majority in that u12-u15 level won't bother trying to put time into a player and just use the qualities they currently have that can lead to bad habits occurring in them not working on simple skills eg Majok and Yeboah who are quick but that's it. The coaches just want to win and won't develop the skills required to get better, they would rather leave that to private trainers. So far from pro players the only place that produced proper players was the AIS, but everywhere else 99% of coaches just choose, Big, tall and fast players because of pace and power it was easier to get the win.

 

Talking about this Younis also has this issue where he does what 90% of young quick players do. He looks to take on his player down the wing every time and the defender knows what he is going to do before he does it. Younis is too predictable and needs to vary his game, where as Badolato being in the setup for a while now knows how to position himself and choose when to go for it or when to keep possession. So Younis needs more time to develop because of this bad habit because no coach has told him otherwise, now his at A-league and needs add more diversity to his game at 18 when other kids have already got that skill based on the coaches they have had or how long they have been at the academy.

 

NOTE: I thought Badolato was a dud but the last few games (even against mariners) have showed me there is indeed a decent player there. That pass he gave Pierias was top class.

Around 20 years ago

On 15/01/2024 at 6:36 AM, BoyFromTheWest said:

The other thing I see is that good players look up and read the game. Nink knows where the pass will go before he has the ball and gets himself into position to execute. Ono was brilliant at this - the ball was coming down and he was already aware of where it was going and how that would happen.

Our young fellows have to watch the ball, trap and take a touch of two, then it is to late to look up. Or they get it and run but struggle to look up and run so miss the players who need the ball. I watched and re-watched one of Adelaide's goals the other night. Halloran ran through onto a ball and first time across for Ibisuki. I looked and looked and couldn't see when he had looked up to see Ibisuki's. It was a lovely ball. We miss that.

Exactly this, I noticed Priestman could of had at least 2 or 3 assist if he had just looked around for a sec and made those passes instead of trying to score tonight. I hope he watches or someone shows him and he learns to take a sec and look before shooting. If there are no good options then he can shoot *****

Tho the boys did well to hold off City, lets keep this ball rolling.