Second Derby Defeat For Wanderers

[Hughesy]

5 hours ago, Sithslayer1991 said:

Personally I don't think it was as bad as people are saying. Look Smurfs have a superior squad across the park against ours. With the players we have  I am not sure what else we can do to even the odds outside of what they did in the 1st half. This squad is not top 6 material so I am not sure what people are expecting?

As much as people have been asking for Brillante to be dropped we saw in 10 minutes what happens when you have an inexperienced duo in midfield up against a player who can thread passes through the defence.

However I also saw us playing through the press. That 1st half was the first time this season we actually did it and we did multiple times throughout the game. Scicluna and Priestmann did a better job on  the ball to get us going, than if Brillante was there.

So my question becomes should we just stick Mata there in CDM. Just to give some experience. I mean it wasn't entirely terrible today. The 2nd half return was led by Mata dictating the play for us in midfield.

It wasn’t and I actually enjoyed the game despite the score line. It was a good hard game with plenty of feeling. For me it’s more bigger picture and just the relentlessness of failure and mediocrity. Im pretty sure I read something that Sydney are one game away from the record win streak in the derby which is crazy considering there was that period where we didn’t beat them for what felt like years. So that really amplifies our woes 

[JackDoff]

8 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

Duncan Ferguson 

Come on it would be ace 

Get him to play! 

[Smoggy]

Still in surry hills as stayed over with the wife...doing the inner city hipster morning Cafe shyte....the wife likes it...me less so...

Bur meh...decent weekend..knew Wanderers would try to **** it up for me.

[PedroPony]

2 hours ago, Hughesy said:

It wasn’t and I actually enjoyed the game despite the score line. It was a good hard game with plenty of feeling. For me it’s more bigger picture and just the relentlessness of failure and mediocrity. Im pretty sure I read something that Sydney are one game away from the record win streak in the derby which is crazy considering there was that period where we didn’t beat them for what felt like years. So that really amplifies our woes 

When I was driving home I was saying to my son that even though the scoreline was bad that was nothing like the 4-1 loss from last year. I thought we played with good intensity, won a lot of our 1:1 battles and we did have a game plan. Putting balls over the top wasn't a bad plan and enabled us to take advantage of their highline 

The one thing I blame Staj for is he should have tried harder to recruit at least one more fullback and an experienced CDM. If he had done that he would be at least getting a pass mark at this point.

Another reminder as well that lots of us wanted Zdrillic to come to us instead of Perth.

Edited November 23, 2024 by PedroPony

[Themumf79]

6 hours ago, Upthehill said:

I genuinely don’t understand this attitude towards new people coming to games. We constantly lament the lack of support our league gets but then slap ridiculous labels like ‘plastics’ on people who become interested or at least buy a damn ticket

Just for context - my comment was in reply to another post about being able to hear ESFC over RBB, which was true. I was in the tier above RBB (what we would call the ‘away end’ in old language) and it was full of home fans and casuals there for the experience. I’m all for growing the game, but the weird seating definitely dented the noise output. 

[nmh94]

9 hours ago, Hughesy said:

On another note, I find it absolutely ridiculous that it’s not even the end of November and we’ve already played two derbies, one of which was wasted during a round that had an elevated status anyway so really no point putting it on at the same time

I have been trying to figure out the logic of scheduling a derby in Unite Round, and I am still scratching my head. Giving us a free ticket to attend is all I can come up with.

[Carns]

58 minutes ago, PedroPony said:

Another reminder as well that lots of us wanted Zdrillic to come to us instead of Perth.

I was an advocate for Zdrillic. Goes to show that a decent pedigree as an assistant doesn't necessarily mean you can make the transition to the head role.

Perth are also a basket case so he may have done better elsewhere, but he's surely leading the sack race right now.

[EmMac]

I feel like we were better than that 1st derby. As others have noted, we're scoring goals but leaking more than we score. Our defense sucks balls.

They disnt necessarily outplay us but for the 10minute implosion bit. That is the worrying part for this season. However, bigger picture concern is that we're on the cusp of being worse than mediocre. Mediocre implies you're somewhere around the middle. Our trend is downwards. Our results per season are:

1. 1st
2. 2nd
3. 9th
4. 2nd
5. 6th
6. 7th
7. 8th
8. 9th
9. 10th
10. 4th
11. 7th

I genuinely don't know what we need to do to turn it around, keeping mind the constraints and limitations of our league. Is it just a matter of cash splash for foreign players? 🤷‍♀️

[Sithslayer1991]

3 hours ago, Hughesy said:

It wasn’t and I actually enjoyed the game despite the score line. It was a good hard game with plenty of feeling. For me it’s more bigger picture and just the relentlessness of failure and mediocrity. Im pretty sure I read something that Sydney are one game away from the record win streak in the derby which is crazy considering there was that period where we didn’t beat them for what felt like years. So that really amplifies our woes 

And unfortunately I think it might be a clean sweep this time for the Smurfs with our current squad unless there is some recruitment in January.

I again don't think Mata will solve our issues. I am really questioning why we even have him. Staj tried him at 10 and he couldn't get the ball. We had a small window of him on the wing but it was clear that we were in trouble in transition when he played there. That CDM role seems to be the only place he fits in this system.

Like again I know some people want to change the system but that first half likw really you need to watch what we did. And I would really question whether we bring Brillante in. Priestmann and Scicluna did well its just they are inexperienced. So the way we are playing maybe Mata makes sense for the benefit of the team.

[StringerBellend]

4 hours ago, Hughesy said:

It wasn’t and I actually enjoyed the game despite the score line. It was a good hard game with plenty of feeling. For me it’s more bigger picture and just the relentlessness of failure and mediocrity. Im pretty sure I read something that Sydney are one game away from the record win streak in the derby which is crazy considering there was that period where we didn’t beat them for what felt like years. So that really amplifies our woes 

It was that bad on fact it was worse.

Should have been 5-2 and even that would have flattered us. 1 1 at half time was very fortunate.

[StringerBellend]

10 minutes ago, Sithslayer1991 said:

And unfortunately I think it might be a clean sweep this time for the Smurfs with our current squad unless there is some recruitment in January.

I again don't think Mata will solve our issues. I am really questioning why we even have him. Staj tried him at 10 and he couldn't get the ball. We had a small window of him on the wing but it was clear that we were in trouble in transition when he played there. That CDM role seems to be the only place he fits in this system.

Like again I know some people want to change the system but that first half likw really you need to watch what we did. And I would really question whether we bring Brillante in. Priestmann and Scicluna did well its just they are inexperienced. So the way we are playing maybe Mata makes sense for the benefit of the team.

First half we spent the game chasing lolley, costa and Caceras passing the ball to each other like a training drill. 

 

[StringerBellend]

Not to be funny but in what way other than having Thomas back were we better than derby 1.

We conceded 5 goals and 2 of them in 5 mins after half time.

Great that we want something to cling to but we are 6 rounds in and still look like half the players have never met each other 

[Kotallo]

To be fair we looked most likely to score going into the last 10 before Clisby and Bonetig reunited their comedy duo from last derby for Klimala's goal

[immortalshogun]

I cant imagine Stajcic being a manager who fires up his players. We had periods in the game where we looked alright in transition and played some nice football but again like the first derby, it looked like Sydney never really felt troubled. His press conference makes it seem like he’s already out of ideas and to be fair, i cant remember a WSW manager having this bad of a start

[Wanderboy]

12 hours ago, MathyouWSW said:

Let's say hypothetically the club decides they'll sacked Stajcic tonight (or tomorrow morning), who would you have to replace him?

Hayden Foxe.

The Wanderers only ever undefeated manager.

[SBW]

13 hours ago, MathyouWSW said:

Let's say hypothetically the club decides they'll sacked Stajcic tonight (or tomorrow morning), who would you have to replace him?

Bring Christensen in for the rest of the season and if he is bringing in the results, keep him on for the next season but if not, then bring someone else in. There are a few decent Aussie coaches going around, Pete Cklamovski, John Hutchinson, Shaun Ontong, Ross Aloisi.

[PedroPony]

2 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

Not to be funny but in what way other than having Thomas back were we better than derby 1.

We conceded 5 goals and 2 of them in 5 mins after half time.

Great that we want something to cling to but we are 6 rounds in and still look like half the players have never met each other 

We had a plan for how to score, which we actually executed well. I didn't see that in the first derby. We also played with much more intensity. For long stretches of the first half we were winning our 1:1 battles, which again didn't happen in the first derby. 

We lost this due to defensive lapses because we don't have enough depth in defence. 

[Unlimited]

Yeah this thread is just overwhelmingly negative, not good vibes

Without the defensive lapse of the early second half and the follow-on, we’d be jagging a point or even a tight win.

After we equalised at 1-1, we had all the momentum which was undone by stupidity in the early second half

 

[StringerBellend]

1 hour ago, PedroPony said:

We had a plan for how to score, which we actually executed well. I didn't see that in the first derby. We also played with much more intensity. For long stretches of the first half we were winning our 1:1 battles, which again didn't happen in the first derby. 

We lost this due to defensive lapses because we don't have enough depth in defence. 

Fair enough we did have a couple of better periods but we lost the last derby due to defensive lapses from the same players. Both games Sydney dominated the ball. We did seem to try harder this game, but for for the same result 

[StringerBellend]

1 hour ago, Unlimited said:

Yeah this thread is just overwhelmingly negative, not good vibes

Without the defensive lapse of the early second half and the follow-on, we’d be jagging a point or even a tight win.

After we equalised at 1-1, we had all the momentum which was undone by stupidity in the early second half

 

If auntie had balls she'd be my uncle.

You can say that about any game..without the goals that we let in we might have drawn.

Yes we had momentum before half time and yes we lost it by playing like total **** for 10 mins after half time.

If don't see the positive.

It should have been 5-2 loss 

[Legionista]

1 hour ago, StringerBellend said:

If auntie had balls she'd be my uncle.

You can say that about any game..without the goals that we let in we might have drawn.

Yes we had momentum before half time and yes we lost it by playing like total **** for 10 mins after half time.

If don't see the positive.

It should have been 5-2 loss 

 

[nmh94]

Interesting stat - we are 1st in goals scored this season so far. Gives you an idea about what a wonderful job our defence is doing ...

[mack]

4 hours ago, immortalshogun said:

i cant remember a WSW manager having this bad of a start

Last season after 5 games we were equal 1st.

This is the 2nd worst start after 5 games in club history. Only the 2014/15 season with 1 draw and 4 losses where we didn't win a league game until the 13th match. But at least we won the ACL at the start of that lack of winning streak.

[Smoggy]

16 minutes ago, mack said:

Last season after 5 games we were equal 1st.

This is the 2nd worst start after 5 games in club history. Only the 2014/15 season with 1 draw and 4 losses where we didn't win a league game until the 13th match. But at least we won the ACL at the start of that lack of winning streak.

Yeah, there was mitigating circumstances to that season. We all tolerated that start due to the ACL win and kind of gave the season away on that ACL. This season feels worse, the only win has come against a god awful Jets side. Staj came in with plenty of time to get things how he wants and has failed miserably.

I was there yesterday really because I was doing other stuff in the city that happened to line up with the game, I would have been in the city yesterday game or not. 

I just don’t think I can be arsed getting back to Parra to watch this lot.

Edited November 24, 2024 by Smoggy

[Edinburgh]

26 minutes ago, mack said:

Last season after 5 games we were equal 1st.

This is the 2nd worst start after 5 games in club history. Only the 2014/15 season with 1 draw and 4 losses where we didn't win a league game until the 13th match. But at least we won the ACL at the start of that lack of winning streak.

Plus, we played in the World Club tournament in Morocco during the season. 

[Smoggy]

9 minutes ago, Edinburgh said:

Plus, we played in the World Club tournament in Morocco during the season. 

Yeah…and got no support from the comp or game here…I think we were doing some stupid traveling to NZ and Perth around that. And there were the money issues  around the World Club comp which left a bad taste and the press started hating on us big time after that ACL….tall poppy syndrome at its finest…seething jealousy.

No…..this is deff the worst start to a season for me.

Edited November 24, 2024 by Smoggy

[Sithslayer1991]

6 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

First half we spent the game chasing lolley, costa and Caceras passing the ball to each other like a training drill. 

 

And it worked. Because the Smurfs couldn't settle on the ball. Caceres and Sena actually didn't have their usual dominance which is what Smurf fans were saying it was scrappy because we made it scrappy. Diego Costa was always going backwards because of what we were doing and it was breaking down for them before it got to the front 3rd.

Oahim changed that because it gave them another option in midfield. This isn't a question of tactics but quality and experience on the field. Their depth exceeds ours. But for the players we had and the game plan we had it worked. 

[StringerBellend]

53 minutes ago, Sithslayer1991 said:

And it worked. Because the Smurfs couldn't settle on the ball. Caceres and Sena actually didn't have their usual dominance which is what Smurf fans were saying it was scrappy because we made it scrappy. Diego Costa was always going backwards because of what we were doing and it was breaking down for them before it got to the front 3rd.

Oahim changed that because it gave them another option in midfield. This isn't a question of tactics but quality and experience on the field. Their depth exceeds ours. But for the players we had and the game plan we had it worked. 

It's interesting how people are games different also interesting how the game seems different when you are watching a different angle.

I was stood back of the RBB so a bit higher than I usually am and from there I could see how clever Costa was at finding little pockets of space. 

Totally agree in that it was quality and experience, lolley, costa, Caceras sena are all decent players. How is that there is such a gulf in the squads. Mostly crap recruitment

But also crap tactics too. 

Quality and experience needed to control midfield, if only we had someone like that?

We do, but our tactical genius had him sitting on the bench until the game was gone. 

[sonar]

While I never thought making Stajcic manager was akin to the second coming of jesus I did think we would be more of a cohesive team and be competitive. At the present time he looks like he may be the harbringer of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse for us..........

 

[WSWJACK]

21 hours ago, MathyouWSW said:

Let's say hypothetically the club decides they'll sacked Stajcic tonight (or tomorrow morning), who would you have to replace him?

It wouldn't happen but wonder if Mark Robbins would like an Australian stint, he's picked up a lot of knowledge at Cov over the years.