New Season Same Wanderers

[pseudonym]

33 minutes ago, WHACKO said:

So what does he have to do to keep the job.

In my opinion

1. Stay in contention for finals - i.e. the last game of the season (Macarthur away) - there should be something at stake - "win and we make the top 6 and wait on Sunday results"
2. If a player has performed poorly, they should be dropped in favour of a young player - e.g. Clisby (off) Holliday (on)
3. Motivation - if we concede a goal, the players shouldn't be panicking and passing out from the back just because they can't think of anything else to do 

[SBW]

33 minutes ago, MartinTyler said:

The Korean guy is decent but he's no Marcello or even a Mrcela and doesn't dominate in the same way

And I believe thats what we have missed on Saturday night, we don't have the players like those 2 who can get down and dirty, win challenges comfortably. Both Jeong and Bonnetig were a bit shaky and both didn't look quite comfortable when defending against Sydney's attack. 

[MartinTyler]

9 minutes ago, pseudonym said:

1. Motivation - if we concede a goal, the players shouldn't be panicking and passing out from the back just because they can't think of anything else to do 

I suspect that's what they have been instructed to do.

[pseudonym]

18 minutes ago, MartinTyler said:

I suspect that's what they have been instructed to do.

which is a shame - the tika taka is no longer a set of tactics, but a religious orthodoxy - everyone "has" to use it 

[MartinTyler]

56 minutes ago, pseudonym said:

which is a shame - the tika taka is no longer a set of tactics, but a religious orthodoxy - everyone "has" to use it 

Certainly in the A League

[StringerBellend]

1 hour ago, MartinTyler said:

Certainly in the A League

Clearly they are coached to do it, the one where we lost the ball and they then scored from the subsequent attack, both our centre backs were standing near the keeper for the short pass.

I'm not Shaun Dyche (honest) and I don't want to see us just smash the ball needlessly, happy for us to try and retain procession. But the short goal kick stuff is idiotic especially when the opposition have 4 players lined up across the front ready to press as soon as the keeper makes the pass.

Seriously what is the point of it? What are we trying to do? Even if it works at best we get the ball up to halfway. It's so such a low percentage play. Besides anything else we don't have the players to do it. 

If you really want to get angry watch Stajic's post match presser, where he says "we know Sydney are a high pressing team, but we played about pretty well, apart from the time we lost it for the goal." Seriously what is the idiot talking about. It's like saying I knew that chainsaws are dangerous, but I juggled them pretty well apart from the one I dropped and lost my arm to.

The other thing that drove me absolutely insane the other night, was when we did work the ball well into space, we were just too slow to take advantage of it. Countless times we got Clisby free, and he took 3 touches then passed it back to where the ball had just come from. FFS just bomb towards the corner and get a cross in. Holliday did it when he came on and Antonessen nearly (probably should have scored).

Watching Shelbeyville every goal kick (or near enough) their defence would push up towards halfway ready for Redmayne to hit to half way, they hardly ever stuffed around with it.

 

[Potkorok]

21 hours ago, MartinTyler said:

Actually we played a lot of long balls 

Well still not enough!!

[Hughesy]

Long balls wouldn’t have worked anyway cause we had no wide men getting up the line

[StringerBellend]

8 hours ago, Hughesy said:

Long balls wouldn’t have worked anyway cause we had no wide men getting up the line

Clisby killed every chance down the left to get a cross in. Numerous times he had space to bomb down the line to the corner instead he took three touches and gave it backwards. We are so incredibly slow in attack. By that I don't mean running I mean taking decisions 

[JustWandering]

I don't mind that Stajic is prepared to roll the dice with selections giving Scicluna and Hammond starts. His rhetoric suggests he will be shuffling the deck selection-wise depending on the opposition. It will be refreshing to see flexibility in the playing style and I expect the squad will be more hungry overall with more players getting meaningful minutes.

Bur I do think we need to start with our most clinical options in the front third. Sapsford and Hammond show great enterprise but will not be scoring buckets of goals between them. I'd rather see a 4231 formation with  Kraev up front and Milanovic-Mata-Borello behind him. I enjoyed Cleur's energy in attack and combativeness in defence. I think Bonetig will have a breakthrough season. I didn't mind Scicluna in place of Priestman as he shows better ball control. It seems unanimous on here that Clisby massively stifles the left side attack. It would be good to see Holliday get meaningful minutes to show what he can do.

[Sithslayer1991]

Sapsford and Hammond I think will be bouncing in and out of the line up to build up their experience. They are close to starting line up but need time to develop. Kraev should be close to starting for Western, Staj may still be conservative with Mata again need to be patient because the guy is here for a whole season not 2 games.

It would be brave of Staj to drop Clisby and play Holiday BUT I ask for caution on this change while he did do well I think we can all agree we finished stronger, almost like Sydney FC were conserving energy because of their high logistics in travel over the next few weeks with ACL 2. The last 10 minutes of the game they just decided to defend which may have allowed Holliday to look better than what he is and also the fact that Mata was more involved at the end. Just playing devil's advocate here.

[Bangaverage]

With the left back role, if you watch back the 10 minutes Holiday played, he was great going forward, but he was found out quite a few times in defence, especially down in the corner, I watched it back last night and at first I hadnt realised how many times he got beat. Yep sure Clisby may have been beaten or out of position as well, but I think for 90 minutes Holiday will leak a goal or some chances down that side as he isnt a regular fullback. Interesting in most of the trial matches they actually had Simmons as the back up left back

[Potkorok]

Heard a rumour that Simmons is trying to sort a loan deal/OS move so perhaps that is why he's not been selected.  if true 

[Bangaverage]

4 minutes ago, Potkorok said:

Heard a rumour that Simmons is trying to sort a loan deal/OS move so perhaps that is why he's not been selected.  if true 

That would make sense, probably the best option for him, otherwise he may be on the bench for a while

[Sime11]

its round 1 and we have a new manager - plenty of time for improvement during the season.

i think we need to get everyone 100% fit and performing at their best in training so Staj & co can pick and stick with a starting 11.

we've been **** for years - lets at least give Staj a chance to put his mark on the squad.

 

its pretty disheartening the amount of negativity already created (our various platforms) after round 1.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and negativity certainly can be justified, but to be immediately on the back of the team and saying the season is over after round 1... cmon Wanderers fan - that's not us and thats not our club - this club was built on resilience and we pride ourselves of not giving up. 

Bring on Round 2 - football is back

 

COYW!!!
 

[JustWandering]

7 hours ago, Sithslayer1991 said:

It would be brave of Staj to drop Clisby and play Holiday BUT I ask for caution on this change while he did do well I think we can all agree we finished stronger, almost like Sydney FC were conserving energy because of their high logistics in travel over the next few weeks with ACL 2.

Not to mention they were a man down too for the last 10 minutes.

[sonar]

6 hours ago, Sime11 said:

its pretty disheartening the amount of negativity already created (our various platforms) after round 1.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and negativity certainly can be justified, but to be immediately on the back of the team and saying the season is over after round 1... cmon Wanderers fan - that's not us and thats not our club - this club was built on resilience and we pride ourselves of not giving up. 

Bring on Round 2 - football is back

 

COYW!!!
 

[Smoggy]

8 hours ago, Sime11 said:

its round 1 and we have a new manager - plenty of time for improvement during the season.

i think we need to get everyone 100% fit and performing at their best in training so Staj & co can pick and stick with a starting 11.

we've been **** for years - lets at least give Staj a chance to put his mark on the squad.

 

its pretty disheartening the amount of negativity already created (our various platforms) after round 1.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and negativity certainly can be justified, but to be immediately on the back of the team and saying the season is over after round 1... cmon Wanderers fan - that's not us and thats not our club - this club was built on resilience and we pride ourselves of not giving up. 

Bring on Round 2 - football is back

 

COYW!!!
 

Yep…..you won’t see the best of us until after Christmas 

 

That’s how it goes.

[andypk]

10 hours ago, Bangaverage said:

With the left back role, if you watch back the 10 minutes Holiday played, he was great going forward, but he was found out quite a few times in defence, especially down in the corner, I watched it back last night and at first I hadnt realised how many times he got beat. Yep sure Clisby may have been beaten or out of position as well, but I think for 90 minutes Holiday will leak a goal or some chances down that side as he isnt a regular fullback. Interesting in most of the trial matches they actually had Simmons as the back up left back

I would say a lot of our goals last season were conceded because opponents got in behind Clisby.  Either he was caught too wide or too far forward. I have no stats to back this up, it's just how I interpret it.  He also offers very little going forward.  He gets in good position but does not produce anywhere near enough quality.  IMO he doesnt defend well and he doesn't attack well.  Maybe I'm wrong or being unfair to him but nonetheless, thats how I see it.

I would be perfectly happy for Holliday to be given a spell at left back.  Even if he has work to do defensively, I'm sure he'll offer something going forward. Plus, there's more potential in Holliday than Clisby.

Clisby has had his chance and now its time for someone else.

 

[PedroPony]

21 hours ago, Sime11 said:

its round 1 and we have a new manager - plenty of time for improvement during the season.

i think we need to get everyone 100% fit and performing at their best in training so Staj & co can pick and stick with a starting 11.

we've been **** for years - lets at least give Staj a chance to put his mark on the squad.

 

its pretty disheartening the amount of negativity already created (our various platforms) after round 1.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and negativity certainly can be justified, but to be immediately on the back of the team and saying the season is over after round 1... cmon Wanderers fan - that's not us and thats not our club - this club was built on resilience and we pride ourselves of not giving up. 

Bring on Round 2 - football is back

 

COYW!!!
 

The negativity is so over the top after 1 game. None of us know where we will end up this season, but to write us off at this stage is crazy. Long way to go yet.

[wslincoln]

people don't realise that derbies are so much different, its the game you really want to win and its the game you have to win from my perspective anyway. Obviously Staj had his reasons for not starting Juan and other things i did not agree with (long balls can **** right off) but at the end of the day like pedro said there is so long to go yet. lets all be patient and get down to commbank on the 2nd

[SBW]

22 hours ago, Bangaverage said:

With the left back role, if you watch back the 10 minutes Holiday played, he was great going forward, but he was found out quite a few times in defence, especially down in the corner, I watched it back last night and at first I hadnt realised how many times he got beat. Yep sure Clisby may have been beaten or out of position as well, but I think for 90 minutes Holiday will leak a goal or some chances down that side as he isnt a regular fullback. Interesting in most of the trial matches they actually had Simmons as the back up left back

I've got no doubt that he will learn from this as he is still young. There aren't many good LB options locally and we have seen the national team suffer for it as well as we keep relying on Aziz Behich to play that LB role.

Last season I mentioned we should have gone for Frances de Vries when he was playing in the local NZ comp as I think he is currently the best LB in the A-League with Auckland and the way how he set up that 2nd goal was class which was something we should expect from your LB and RB when they run the ball forward

[matty]

Here i was thinking the criticism had been quite constructive and measured. 

[Sithslayer1991]

Yet another show from A-league but this one belongs here. Its a tactical breakdown of the derby by Mcbreen. Hopefully helps us better understand our weaknesses.