Alen Stajcic Discussion

[William]

Anybody heard what is up with Max Burgess non selection for weeks and reportedly knocked back an offer from CCM recently

[mack]

Do we really need more wingers who can't score more than 2 a season?

[MathyouWSW]

11 hours ago, marron said:

Nope. 

But I don't understand why anyone would seriously put their faith in someone who's never coached before.

I know we are all sick of failure but come on. The A league is tough for anyone, let alone a first timer.

Adelaide United did with Guillermo Amor.

[William]

Yep Mack we don’t need another winger but Burgess would be good in the midfield where he has played most of his career . 
 

he maybe happy to go to training and pick up his salary and enjoy a social life 😀 

Edited January 20 by William

[mack]

we don't need another midfielder who can't score more than 2 goals a season

[Edinburgh]

Just now, mack said:

we don't need another midfielder who can't score more than 2 goals a season

Of course we do! We are west, we are wanderers!

[BoyFromTheWest]

On 19/01/2025 at 2:39 PM, mack said:

I don't care about turnaround or churn. I want to get rid of bad players and have a good scouting network replace them with superior players, run by a coach who isn't tactically inept.

That's what creates "culture". Being good on the field.

It didn't create sustainable culture with Popa. He left and we lost the plot. Not culture,  just one coach who did it for while. His churn didn't do much. Many comments on here continue to bemoan the loss of culture, the privilege with the club, or inability to recruit and on it goes. Enough. We'd all like to see a team that compete syringing for a change but we'll disagree on how to get there.  All fun.

[William]

14 minutes ago, mack said:

we don't need another midfielder who can't score more than 2 goals a season

You might think that but I not we think that his assists may be worth having 🙄

[Hughesy]

8 hours ago, Stokz said:

Garbage - if the club was building to something, you'll tolerate losses no problem - we've had zero consistency this year. 1 step forward 2 steps back. 

Define: building to something

I’m as critical of the club as anyone but with Gombau, MB, Robbo, JP and Ruds they clearly employed them to build something - with the exception of ruds everyone was stoked with the appointments. First sign of a loss and our fans fed them to the wolves yet sit here several years later complaining we’ve burnt through too many managers. Can’t have it both ways. It’s easy to excuse a lack of tolerance after several years of mediocrity but truth be told, we’ve been like this all along. Don’t forget it wasn’t long after a premiers plate, 2 consecutive gfs, 3 in total and the ACL that the popa out banner got a run

 

[matty]

8 hours ago, Hughesy said:

Define: building to something

I’m as critical of the club as anyone but with Gombau, MB, Robbo, JP and Ruds they clearly employed them to build something - with the exception of ruds everyone was stoked with the appointments. First sign of a loss and our fans fed them to the wolves yet sit here several years later complaining we’ve burnt through too many managers. Can’t have it both ways. It’s easy to excuse a lack of tolerance after several years of mediocrity but truth be told, we’ve been like this all along. Don’t forget it wasn’t long after a premiers plate, 2 consecutive gfs, 3 in total and the ACL that the popa out banner got a run

 

I think you're straw-manning and generalising way too much here.

A club without direction and clarity from the top reveals itself over time, that's what has happened to us, that's why we're frustrated. 

The coach churn is a symptom of that as well. Hire the wrong manager because you don't have clarity on the type that you need. 

Even with good leadership at a club, you can hire the wrong coach or it may not work out, sure, but you won't stay long in the doldrums like we have.

Two examples of clubs with good leadership at the top are Easts and Victory. Both are interesting right now because Sydney is struggling as much as us with their coach and so is Victory after Kisnorbo left.

But I guarantee both have a decent idea of where to go next season depending on variables this season. They've both shown strong evidence of succession planning in the past, and hiring managers that have similar traits, fit their culture.

Our club hasn't shown this. 

That's why you get the coach churn, it ain't the fans fault lol. 

[Sithslayer1991]

https://www.frontpagefootball.net/post/defenceless-the-western-sydney-wanderers-major-persistent-issue

 

I think this one belongs here. Discussion on our defensive problems.

[StringerBellend]

12 hours ago, Edinburgh said:

Of course we do! We are west, we are wanderers!

Ha we are actually low on what was are strength. Pacey wingers who cant score or control a football.

Shame we missed out on Sotirio 

 

[StringerBellend]

12 hours ago, William said:

You might think that but I not we think that his assists may be worth having 🙄

To be fair he always looks good when he plays us. One of those players who always seems to have his best game of the season against us.

I quite like him, but he's not what we need. We have loads in his position and a bunch of youth coming through. We just signed Carluccio 

Centre Back needed 

And a big unit La Rocca style CDM 

Edited January 20 by StringerBellend

[Bangaverage]

Staj in

 But one of the other coaches is out, heading overseas

[SBW]

Is that one of his assistants he brought in from Perth?

[Hughesy]

1 hour ago, matty said:

Hire the wrong manager because you don't have clarity on the type that you need. 

It’s easy to say this in retrospect. As I said, there was very little protest and quite a lot of approval when we signed Gombau, Robbo and MB. In fact most fans were actively asking for Gombau and Robbo and the club responded by hiring them

[Stokz]

11 hours ago, Hughesy said:

Define: building to something

I’m as critical of the club as anyone but with Gombau, MB, Robbo, JP and Ruds they clearly employed them to build something - with the exception of ruds everyone was stoked with the appointments. First sign of a loss and our fans fed them to the wolves yet sit here several years later complaining we’ve burnt through too many managers. Can’t have it both ways. It’s easy to excuse a lack of tolerance after several years of mediocrity but truth be told, we’ve been like this all along. Don’t forget it wasn’t long after a premiers plate, 2 consecutive gfs, 3 in total and the ACL that the popa out banner got a run

 

Building to something - a consistent playing style, that wins majority of its games, consistently in the top 6 and having a crack at the top 2-3.

I dont think it matters if everyone was stoked about the appointments of certain coaches. That means nothing. And not sure how its relevant.

Its not first sign of losses that people get the pitchforks out, its typically when the team losses its way and starts its downward trend.

 

Edited January 20 by Stokz

[Bangaverage]

34 minutes ago, SBW said:

Is that one of his assistants he brought in from Perth?

nope

[immortalshogun]

6 minutes ago, Bangaverage said:

nope

should we be expecting an announcement?

[Stokz]

We showed multiple times through our existence when we had 2 strong and experienced CBs the team performed well.

Marcelo / Mrcela

NTS / Beauchamp

NTS / Spira 

Alberto / NTS

Yet knowing this - we still decided to go into the season with an unknown and inexperienced backline.

[Sime11]

1 hour ago, StringerBellend said:

 

And a big unit La Rocca style CDM 

man Christmas comes early if we could nab a La Rocca clone

the man was a beast

[MartinTyler]

12 hours ago, Hughesy said:

Define: building to something

I’m as critical of the club as anyone but with Gombau, MB, Robbo, JP and Ruds they clearly employed them to build something - with the exception of ruds everyone was stoked with the appointments. First sign of a loss and our fans fed them to the wolves yet sit here several years later complaining we’ve burnt through too many managers. Can’t have it both ways. It’s easy to excuse a lack of tolerance after several years of mediocrity but truth be told, we’ve been like this all along. Don’t forget it wasn’t long after a premiers plate, 2 consecutive gfs, 3 in total and the ACL that the popa out banner got a run

 

You're making us sound like Spurs fans !!

[StringerBellend]

Maybe when Stajic goes we should get zadcovic 

He's going to finish dead last which seems to be the entry criteria 

At least Gumby had some decent results in the A League 

My dislike for Stajic stated before he joined us, there was a post game interview at Perth someone asked him about Perth's position.

He went on a massive rant blaming everyone but himself. Then went on to say every club I have been at I've left in a better way going on to basically claim credit for the mariners sucess. Missing out the bit about finishing dead last and also quitting the club saying he couldn't take it further.

I guess is hiring at WSW was based on a short and relatively successful period with the Philippines Women's team.

I'm all for us sticking with a manager but we can't just stick with the wrong one for the sake of it.

We gave Rudan 2 years. Babel was given a bit of time too. Gumby had managed to make his position untenable by pissing pretty much everyone off. That leaves Carlo, any want to keep him longer..put problem isn't the sacking it's the hiring. 

I hope we have it right with Staj, that interview and the 69 goals conceded says it's a "risky" choice. His bizarre team selections and only 2 wins at home confirm it.

Stability or not you have to win your home games to give the fans something to go see.

Big game against Auckland, stop messing about pick your better players maybe have a 3 man midfield too.

 

[StringerBellend]

6 minutes ago, MartinTyler said:

You're making us sound like Spurs fans !!

Big Flange Out Dyche In!!!

Edited January 21 by StringerBellend

[WSWJACK]

1 hour ago, Stokz said:

We showed multiple times through our existence when we had 2 strong and experienced CBs the team performed well.

Marcelo / Mrcela

NTS / Beauchamp

NTS / Spira 

Alberto / NTS

Yet knowing this - we still decided to go into the season with an unknown and inexperienced backline.

Good post

[GunnerWanderer]

I'm with Mack Burgess just gives us another player who doesn't perform week in week out, it's why Talay is playing people like Sergegic in front of him, better off rolling the dice there. 

Imagine Burgess, Mila and Borello all on the field and all NOT on their game. We need better players than what we have now. 

[StringerBellend]

8 minutes ago, GunnerWanderer said:

I'm with Mack Burgess just gives us another player who doesn't perform week in week out, it's why Talay is playing people like Sergegic in front of him, better off rolling the dice there. 

Imagine Burgess, Mila and Borello all on the field and all NOT on their game. We need better players than what we have now. 

Exactly Why would we take a midfielder / winger who doesn't create and can't get into a team that just went out and signed Josh Sotirio? 

Apart from anything else we already just signed one.

We need a CB 

[matty]

On 21/01/2025 at 9:55 AM, Hughesy said:

It’s easy to say this in retrospect. As I said, there was very little protest and quite a lot of approval when we signed Gombau, Robbo and MB. In fact most fans were actively asking for Gombau and Robbo and the club responded by hiring them

So your defence of club leadership is 'they hired who the fans wanted'. Please.

[VedranRozic]

#stajout #angein - he is going to be looking for a job soon.

[BoyFromTheWest]

3 hours ago, matty said:

So your defence of club leadership is 'they hired who the fans wanted'. Please.

That's not what I heard him say. When all these coaches were brought in, we all were pleased that we got who we wanted and believed they would deliver the promised goal. They didn't and when they failed we, the fans, were amongst the biggest critics of the original decision (though it's what we wanted). I'm not sure he's defending anyone,  simply stating that fans have been very pleased with the appointment of several previous coaches, none of whom survived.

It is interesting about coaches. None of us would have picked Corica to build and coach the team he had in Auckland. He failed at Sydney in the FNC and the rhetoric here was that he only succeeded on the work Arnie did and only whilst the team he built lasted. In a new environment he doing well.