What is expected being in safe standing/active section

[GD07]

So-so start for the section. Good to get some of the rust out. 

As for the posts above, I don’t think it was sold out but with everyone compressed into the middle bay, it didn’t look anywhere near full. Every row has been allocated the same number of standing spots, can’t remember off the top of my head what that number was. 

[btron3000]

1 hour ago, Wanderboy said:

^^^^

This definitely needs to happen. Not sure it will though with stupid OHS and fire safety egress requirements.

Hopefully, after time, they can slowly start increasing the number of tickets sold and test it out on a game by game basis.

In the Building Code of 2015, for spectator stands it is 1 metre squared per person for seats, and 0.3 metres squared per person for standing areas.

So we should be able to sell 3 times as many tickets to the standing area compared to when there are seats in there. I wonder if we do/will/can.

[Wanderboy]

9 minutes ago, btron3000 said:

In the Building Code of 2015, for spectator stands it is 1 metre squared per person for seats, and 0.3 metres squared per person for standing areas.

So we should be able to sell 3 times as many tickets to the standing area compared to when there are seats in there. I wonder if we do/will/can.

Will be interesting if the club can organize this if that is the case. Knowing our nanny state, I wouldn't be surprised if this all becomes too hard.

It was rather embarrassing on Saturday night that we, the Wanderers fans, fought hard for safe standing, yet it looked just 1/3rd full.

The Leeds end, who just sold seated tickets, was full, and they all stood anyway. It's quite bizarre. Maybe it just came down to actives not wanting to attend a plastic match.

Time will tell.

[marron]

Is the egress okay for the extra numbers?

[btron3000]

6 minutes ago, marron said:

Is the egress okay for the extra numbers?

Ah yes, good question. It's a bit of a tight entry directly behind the RBB with the toilet block there. 

[Wanderboy]

16 minutes ago, marron said:

Is the egress okay for the extra numbers?

Not sure if you are taking the piss, but I mentioned that earlier.

Surely, in this day and age, this would be a consideration. I'm not sure why, as I'm not sure what could exactly burn in the RBB, beside flares, and people, and chip packets, (it's all concrete and steel)

What could possibly be an exit problem, besides a terrorist attack?

Anyway, current day nanny state OH and S might very well see to no increased sales in the safe standing.

[marron]

My question wasn't one of concern - it was, have they actually accounted for it in the design. I vaguely remember a discussion about it a while back. .. can't remember if it was definitely taken into account.... easy to say they should have.... but it wasn't even clear there would even be any safe standing  until relatively recently. 

The memory i do have though is of someone saying the egress standards are like way over capacity. So hopefully! 

[Prydzopolis]

On 24/07/2019 at 12:57 PM, echidna said:

Selling tickets to a seating limit will not achieve this

I believe that they are selling it 1:1, which would be silly but this is determined by the green guides which determine these things (ie the stadium stands were built to the maximum steepness as allowed in the green guides).

They will not be allowed to sell extra tickets in the safe standing area because it looks empty.

[echidna]

3 hours ago, Prydzopolis said:

I believe that they are selling it 1:1, which would be silly but this is determined by the green guides which determine these things (ie the stadium stands were built to the maximum steepness as allowed in the green guides).

They will not be allowed to sell extra tickets in the safe standing area because it looks empty.

Pryd, I understand what you are saying, but doing things exactly as they would been done for seated areas (with seats present) simply does not make sense if those seats are removed. It undermines the value of Safe Standing, as we cannot get the concentration of support and visuals associated with a packed and vibrant active support area. It would be interesting to know what specific allowances are made for Safe Standing areas - if any such thing exists here, given the current uniqueness of that zone to Bankwest Stadium.

If a variation in ratio (1:1) has not been requested, then the club need to follow this up so that the ratio is improved.

[StringerBellend]

47 minutes ago, echidna said:

Pryd, I understand what you are saying, but doing things exactly as they would been done for seated areas (with seats present) simply does not make sense if those seats are removed. It undermines the value of Safe Standing, as we cannot get the concentration of support and visuals associated with a packed and vibrant active support area. It would be interesting to know what specific allowances are made for Safe Standing areas - if any such thing exists here, given the current uniqueness of that zone to Bankwest Stadium.

If a variation in ratio (1:1) has not been requested, then the club need to follow this up so that the ratio is improved.

Anyone know what they allow in Germany or the safe standing they put in at Celtic 

I’m guessing that places that have implemented safe standing (with safe being a key word) would have worked out  a safe ratio. It won’t be the same as being a kid in the old Gladwys st end

[btron3000]

Anywhere that you have standing and sitting areas, the standing can be at least double the numbers. This is defined not only for stadiums but also for places like bars. For example, when you get DA approval to build a bar, you have to show floor layout and identify the standing and sitting areas, and that is taken into consideration when determining capacity. Doesn’t mean you’ll get it, just that those are the guidelines.

The issue we have is not what is safe, it’s what has been requested and approved. If we were stupid enough to only request 1:1 and that is what was in the plans, then we are going to have to request a change. Given it’s a government owned building, it’s extremely unlikely they are going go through the painstaking process of altering the DA just for a couple thousand extra seats for one of the (zillions it would seem) tenants they have.

I am sure that someone could find the plans and tell us. The other method would be find where it’s capacity is listed. Does it have two capacities for the two different configurations?

[GD07]

33 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

Anyone know what they allow in Germany or the safe standing they put in at Celtic 

I’m guessing that places that have implemented safe standing (with safe being a key word) would have worked out  a safe ratio. It won’t be the same as being a kid in the old Gladwys st end

Celtic have actual seats in the section, it’s just that they’re usually up and locked. Everyone has been allocated a ‘seat’ but the actual section just gets everyone to stand in the bay they were allocated. 

[Hughesy]

The fringes of the north terrace used to be empty at the old stadium too because people crammed in towards the middle. 

The only time it looked genuinely full was games where one off tickets needed to be purchased (finals, ACL final etc.) or when they used to open the gate and let people enter the terrace from elsewhere in the stadium in the very early days.

The restrictions placed on active support terraces disabled access to the area for non-active members which was the source of that top up to properly fill the bays. There was also the issue of people not turning up to games outside of derbies just so they could secure a seat.

The DA changing wouldn’t fix the problem, it’s a matter of altering spectating behaviours and loosening restrictions on active ends.

[StringerBellend]

19 hours ago, GD07 said:

Celtic have actual seats in the section, it’s just that they’re usually up and locked. Everyone has been allocated a ‘seat’ but the actual section just gets everyone to stand in the bay they were allocated. 

So 1:1 effectively, given Hillsboro disaster Is be shocked if safe standing is allocated much higher than seating 

[StringerBellend]

3 hours ago, hughsey said:

The fringes of the north terrace used to be empty at the old stadium too because people crammed in towards the middle. 

The only time it looked genuinely full was games where one off tickets needed to be purchased (finals, ACL final etc.) or when they used to open the gate and let people enter the terrace from elsewhere in the stadium in the very early days.

The restrictions placed on active support terraces disabled access to the area for non-active members which was the source of that top up to properly fill the bays. There was also the issue of people not turning up to games outside of derbies just so they could secure a seat.

The DA changing wouldn’t fix the problem, it’s a matter of altering spectating behaviours and loosening restrictions on active ends.

This

The Cove didn’t have this issue at SFS for most games people in GA can just walk round into the cove (so I’m told anyway)

Edited July 26, 2019 by StringerBellend

[Hughesy]

51 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

This

The Cove didn’t have this issue at SFS for most games people in GA can just walk round into the cove (so I’m told anyway)

I was of the opinion that restricted access to active bays was a league wide thing? I know they do it in Melbourne.

Although the Cove seem to have their own set of rules cause they were also allowed a pullover at the derby when it was my understanding that everyone else is banned from them...

[Wanderboy]

1 hour ago, StringerBellend said:

So 1:1 effectively, given Hillsboro disaster Is be shocked if safe standing is allocated much higher than seating 

Which is where attitudes need to change now. 

Design technology of rail seating or safe standing areas now pretty much prevents another Hillsborough happening. It would be safe to sell 2, maybe 3 tickets for every seat now.

Times have changed. Hillsborough was the catalyst. Sadly.

[StringerBellend]

1 hour ago, hughsey said:

I was of the opinion that restricted access to active bays was a league wide thing? I know they do it in Melbourne.

Although the Cove seem to have their own set of rules cause they were also allowed a pullover at the derby when it was my understanding that everyone else is banned from them...

The rule is the same it’s just not applied 

[btron3000]

6 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

The rule is the same it’s just not applied 

Like most rules for them.

[GD07]

Decent first (real) hit out. Big improvement from Leeds game but we’ll need to go up that level again for the derby. No passengers in safe standing, need everyone contributing. 

[Erebus]

i stood towards the back of 125 for the 2nd half and yeah, it was like the old Bay 57 in terms of activity in the entire bay, bar the first couple of rows.

I think everyone that wants to be active squeezes into the middle bay.

[wilsonpastore]

really sucks how they dont let anyone with white/black membership to sneak into the rbb anymore.

is there any code to get seats into rbb for the derby at bankwest. i see the members code only gets you as much as rbb seating, 

[Johnno]

14 hours ago, wilsonpastore said:

really sucks how they dont let anyone with white/black membership to sneak into the rbb anymore.

is there any code to get seats into rbb for the derby at bankwest. i see the members code only gets you as much as rbb seating, 

yeap, i've got black membership and would love to drop into the sides of the RBB for parts of the game with the young ones, as we used to to at parra (before it got locked off)

[Wanderboy]

It can be done lads.

[Edinburgh]

It's been done!

[marron]

16 minutes ago, Edinburgh said:

It's been done!

Can confirm

When I saw that some old scottish geezer had done it, I figured I had no excuse....

[Edinburgh]

6 minutes ago, marron said:

Can confirm

When I saw that some old scottish geezer had done it, I figured I had no excuse....

Mentality!

[marron]

[GD07]

Team has stepped up, time for us to do the same. 

[Wanderboy]

16 minutes ago, GD07 said:

Team has stepped up, time for us to do the same.