Midfielder Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 Heaps of reports about Julian's arrest .. US want him and have a hidden "grand Jury" case against him... will either leader have the balls to stand up for him and demand he is returned to Australia. wendybr and Paul01 2
mack Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 They've already sent out the "we will provide consular assistance" line. They aren't going to get involved. wendybr and Prydzopolis 1 1
hawks2767 Posted April 11, 2019 Posted April 11, 2019 Best news ever, what a fantastic end to the week.
wendybr Posted April 12, 2019 Posted April 12, 2019 14 hours ago, Cynth said: Should we get involved? Are you asking if we should get involved, or questioning why we would? If you see the difference?
Cynth Posted April 12, 2019 Posted April 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, wendybr said: Are you asking if we should get involved, or questioning why we would? If you see the slight difference? I think I’m asking why would we? I get the argument about free speech and journalism etc, but I guess I wonder whether Assange has broken laws, gone beyond where a journalists ethics should take them and as a result should pay the consequences. I’m not inclined to see him worthy of help....
Cynth Posted April 12, 2019 Posted April 12, 2019 Besides I think his motives were not about the public’s right to know but about his own notoriety.
Midfielder Posted April 12, 2019 Author Posted April 12, 2019 13 hours ago, hawks2767 said: Best news ever, what a fantastic end to the week. Why ... he exposed what governments were doing and that is the job you want the press to do... do you really want to start to jail journalist who expose our leaders ... thats a very very very very dangerous path to take.... Freedom of the press is critical in a democracy .... like those nurses at Campbelltown hospital who exposed massive wrong doing and their careers have been ruined ... Power does not like being challenged ... jail Julian and "Watergate is illegai.. the Pentagon Papers jail them, I could go on... wendybr 1
wendybr Posted April 12, 2019 Posted April 12, 2019 Ah OK. Can't say I know enough about the various things he did...what he interfered with, who he endangered etc Exposing the US brutality in the Middle East is OK by me though...which is how he came to prominence? I don't want him fed to the lions though...which is probably what will happen. PS I hope his cat is going to be OK.
wendybr Posted April 12, 2019 Posted April 12, 2019 20 minutes ago, Cynth said: Besides I think his motives were not about the public’s right to know but about his own notoriety. Evidence for that?
wendybr Posted April 12, 2019 Posted April 12, 2019 22 hours ago, mack said: They've already sent out the "we will provide consular assistance" line. They aren't going to get involved. I do agree with this. I wonder whether he will rally much support...to stop extradition to the US.
Cynth Posted April 12, 2019 Posted April 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, wendybr said: Evidence for that? Assange willingly became the news rather than just reported it. He was at the centre, doing news interviews and self promotion. If you think of any of the major world news stories, can you think of any of the journalists involved that sought the limelight like he did? I think the British judge is right. He is a narcissist. StringerBellend 1
Midfielder Posted April 12, 2019 Author Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Cynth said: Assange willingly became the news rather than just reported it. He was at the centre, doing news interviews and self promotion. If you think of any of the major world news stories, can you think of any of the journalists involved that sought the limelight like he did? I think the British judge is right. He is a narcissist. Even if what you say is true and its very subjective and judgemental from you... but even if that is true... that has SFA to do with press freedom ... he could be the biggest arsehole the world has ever seen... but what he did was amazing and was reported by almost every major news agency world over .... so why not jail them as well for they copied what he exposed and ran with it... Power does not like being exposed and will say and do anything to those that expose them ... wendybr 1
Midfielder Posted April 12, 2019 Author Posted April 12, 2019 Obama chose not to bring charges against Assange A director of the American Civil Liberties Union has urged the US and Europe to tread carefully in bringing charges against Assange. "Any prosecution by the United States of Mr Assange for WikiLeaks' publishing operations would be unprecedented and unconstitutional, and would open the door to criminal investigations of other news organisations," Ben Wizner wrote in a statement. "Moreover, prosecuting a foreign publisher for violating US secrecy laws would set an especially dangerous precedent for US journalists, who routinely violate foreign secrecy laws to deliver information vital to the public's interest." Edward Snowden ✔@Snowden The weakness of the US charge against Assange is shocking. The allegation he tried (and failed?) to help crack a password during their world-famous reporting has been public for nearly a decade: it is the count Obama's DOJ refused to charge, saying it endangered journalism. Glenn Greenwald ✔@ggreenwald Replying to @ggreenwald The DOJ says part of what Assange did to justify his prosecution - beyond allegedly helping Manning get the documents - is he encouraged Manning to get more docs for him to publish. Journalists do this with sources constantly: it's the criminalization of journalism 11.5K 11:45 PM - Apr 11, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 7,800 people are talking about this Under Barack Obama, the Justice Department reportedly hesitated to bring charges against Assange,fearing it would cascade into charges against US journalists. Justice department officials called it the "New York Times problem" — if they charged Assange, they'd have to charge The New York Times. However, under the Trump administration, US prosecutors allegedly held hush-hush discussions about several types of charges that could have been brought against Assange, including using the Espionage Act. wendybr 1
wendybr Posted April 12, 2019 Posted April 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Cynth said: Assange willingly became the news rather than just reported it. He was at the centre, doing news interviews and self promotion. If you think of any of the major world news stories, can you think of any of the journalists involved that sought the limelight like he did? I think the British judge is right. He is a narcissist. Hmmm.... possibly...but he was a guy with a computer (and considerable skill - lol) and not a journalist. He facilitated the exposure of dodgy govt coverups...which many applaud. Don't know about his involvement in the US Elections... Re narcissism, that's quite possible....but I guess once he went into asylum in the Embassy he risked lapsing into obscurity, and being forgotten...so I guess he would have sought attention...and support. One basically little guy vs the might of the US govt etc.
Cynth Posted April 12, 2019 Posted April 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Midfielder said: Even if what you say is true and its very subjective and judgemental from you... but even if that is true... that has SFA to do with press freedom ... he could be the biggest arsehole the world has ever seen... but what he did was amazing and was reported by almost every major news agency world over .... so why not jail them as well for they copied what he exposed and ran with it... Power does not like being exposed and will say and do anything to those that expose them ... I totally agree with you, his exposure of the US military incidents was excellent and should have been reported and of course power doesn’t like being exposed. But the aftermath, he became the news, he thought he Was beyond the law. The reality is that he was a computer hacker and quite frankly he stole state secrets. I remember watching a detailed interview with him and he himself described it as a game, something to win to master. He didn’t have a burning desire to expose powerful people for any moral purpose. But yes, my opinion is subjective and judgemental. But I stand by it. Besides, the sexual assault case looks like being re-instated in Sweden, the lawyer stating that these women have been waiting nine years for justice. We still don’t know if there is anything in that. wendybr 1
Cynth Posted April 12, 2019 Posted April 12, 2019 To tell you the truth though, I don’t have a strong feeling one way or the other about him. I don’t care if he is extradited or not. He might have something interesting to say about Roger Stone though....and Russians and the DNC hacked emails..... wendybr 1
Cynth Posted April 12, 2019 Posted April 12, 2019 https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/julian-assange-got-what-he-deserved/587008/
wendybr Posted April 12, 2019 Posted April 12, 2019 And from the same publication... https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/julian-assange-arrested-journalists-defend/586936/ But yeah - I don't have strong feelings either way either.
mack Posted April 12, 2019 Posted April 12, 2019 He lost a lot of people who might have supported him when he/wikileaks attacked the Clinton/DNC campaign to help Trump, then hinted that Hillary had Seth Rich murdered because Rich was their source. EmMac 1
Midfielder Posted April 12, 2019 Author Posted April 12, 2019 44 minutes ago, mack said: He lost a lot of people who might have supported him when he/wikileaks attacked the Clinton/DNC campaign to help Trump, then hinted that Hillary had Seth Rich murdered because Rich was their source. Wow that it was true is not important ...that he exposed how Clintom stole the election from Sanders etc... This is a clip from a hard core right Fox [US] journalist he makes a lot of sense .... Julian is a hero in many ways ...
Cynth Posted April 12, 2019 Posted April 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Midfielder said: Wow that it was true is not important ...that he exposed how Clintom stole the election from Sanders etc... This is a clip from a hard core right Fox [US] journalist he makes a lot of sense .... Julian is a hero in many ways ... True? Are you serious? The Seth Rich stuff was completely bogus and ruined a family. Everybody acknowledges it now.Like I said, Assange became the news and he was totally wrong, it was horrendous. The DNC taking the candidacy from Sanders was already known and exposed. Watch Michael Moore.
Cynth Posted April 12, 2019 Posted April 12, 2019 https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/03/04/media/jerome-corsi-seth-rich/index.html
Cynth Posted April 12, 2019 Posted April 12, 2019 Oh and it is ridiculous to call Tucker Carlson a journalist. He is a far right commentator and even he would agree to that description of his role now.
Midfielder Posted April 13, 2019 Author Posted April 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Cynth said: Oh and it is ridiculous to call Tucker Carlson a journalist. He is a far right commentator and even he would agree to that description of his role now. I can't argue with that ..... BUT why is CNN NYT not defending Julian and of all places Fox is ...
hawks2767 Posted April 13, 2019 Posted April 13, 2019 On 12/04/2019 at 11:45 PM, Midfielder said: Why ... he exposed what governments were doing and that is the job you want the press to do... do you really want to start to jail journalist who expose our leaders ... thats a very very very very dangerous path to take.... Freedom of the press is critical in a democracy .... like those nurses at Campbelltown hospital who exposed massive wrong doing and their careers have been ruined ... Power does not like being challenged ... jail Julian and "Watergate is illegai.. the Pentagon Papers jail them, I could go on... I have a security clearance. I'm aware of the damage he caused. People are going down the whole 'governments are evil and he's exposing their immorality' road and aren't aware that releasing documents marked 'top secret' puts lives at risk. Bones 1
Midfielder Posted April 14, 2019 Author Posted April 14, 2019 21 hours ago, hawks2767 said: I have a security clearance. I'm aware of the damage he caused. People are going down the whole 'governments are evil and he's exposing their immorality' road and aren't aware that releasing documents marked 'top secret' puts lives at risk. Cannot agree wiki leaks released information that embarrassed the US ... You can't shot the messager wendybr 1
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