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Sithslayer1991

Sithslayer1991

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2 hours ago, FCB said:

Lederer's comments are alarming.

"It's critical, it's urgent. We're well aware of it. We've got to get the crowds back, we've got to get the viewing audience back. We've got to run the game, it's as simple as that. We want to have our destiny in our own hands. We don't need a third party to run our game. FFA is fully responsible for the situation, FFA negotiated the deal. In the future, that could very well change, but at the present time it's all FFA."

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/owners-must-urgently-address-a-league-s-tv-slump-wanderers-chair-20190225-p5105x.html?ref=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_source=rss_feed

If running the game into the ground was one of the Gallop's key metrics then he's done an excellent job and should be given a bonus. For me, it was watershed moment when SBS walked away from the HAL when they tired of having to deal with FFA and Gallop. How good was it to watch a game on SBS on a Friday evening, eating pizza and having a glass of red wine?

 

 

Funnily enough I agree I tended to watch the Friday games on Tv more. You come back from a long day at work get some maccas sit down turn on SBS at 7:30pm  and A-league was on. Saturdays I tend to forget A-league is on unless the Wanderers are playing

Hughesy

Hughesy

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19 hours ago, Sithslayer1991 said:

But hypothetically how would you feel if Optus was to get the rights?

I was completely against them coming anywhere near the HAL at the time and was also still a bit salty that they had to come in and pinch the EPL from Fox and disrupt the status quo. In hindsight, I actually wish they did get the rights because I can't see us being in any worse a position than what we are now and if anything, I feel we may have been a bit healthier. Fox are in no position to be playing hardball like they are because they themselves are barely keeping their head above water. 

I see TV rights following the same trend as the housing market over the coming years. For the last 3-4 years they've been following this upward trajectory that reached ridiculous heights that aren't sustainable. Combine that with a greater spread of content and how it can be consumed and there is no longer that single deal with a golden egg. If you look at most of the rights deals currently active across Australian sport, they were brokered at a time when streaming was only just gaining traction and becoming mainstream. The environment has changed all together. Its an interesting period coming up, that's for sure.

Sithslayer1991

Sithslayer1991

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From my perspective and my convenience A-league going to Optus is the best personally. Again since the glass shattering moment they took EPL football has not really received big support from foxtel and now Optus is making giant strides by grabbing world cup, womens world cup, nations league Europa and Champions league.

I'm on the train to the city and if there is a game at 7am whether its EPL, Champions league or something someone is watching on Optus sport. Having Kayo for me is wasted because I only watch a-league I haven't watched NRL since the days of Nathan Hindmarsh and Anthony Minichello and once upon time they had the footy show and brought on Dwight Yorke and Harry Kewel (seperate times). In America or Latin America when I visited there was always something on football whether it was college, beach, freestyle, or Indoor and I think optus has that potential to reach further by being that dedicated football channel.

Its a fantastic app but whether they would give as much money as Foxtel I am uncertain and I guess that's the big issue. Would Optus spend $50-70 million on A-league over 4 years?

StringerBellend

StringerBellend

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4 hours ago, FCB said:

Lederer's comments are alarming.

"It's critical, it's urgent. We're well aware of it. We've got to get the crowds back, we've got to get the viewing audience back. We've got to run the game, it's as simple as that. We want to have our destiny in our own hands. We don't need a third party to run our game. FFA is fully responsible for the situation, FFA negotiated the deal. In the future, that could very well change, but at the present time it's all FFA."

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/owners-must-urgently-address-a-league-s-tv-slump-wanderers-chair-20190225-p5105x.html?ref=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_source=rss_feed

If running the game into the ground was one of the Gallop's key metrics then he's done an excellent job and should be given a bonus. For me, it was watershed moment when SBS walked away from the HAL when they tired of having to deal with FFA and Gallop. How good was it to watch a game on SBS on a Friday evening, eating pizza and having a glass of red wine?

 

 

Lucy and Craig

ItchyNek

ItchyNek

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18 hours ago, Edinburgh said:

Why is streaming the future? Doesn't anyone want to watch on a normal large screen (in HD? For some) with a consistent signal/picture, Sitting in their lounge room?

Couple of links as to why,

https://medium.com/@hosierjennas/the-future-of-online-sports-streaming-what-does-it-offer-you-f2d8e240e986

https://www.wired.com/insights/2014/06/future-sports-streaming-cord-cutting-age/

 

Understandable that the infrastructure of Australia's internet is laughable,it should have never gotten to this point. If you have cable at minimum then you should not have a problem with streaming via online (feel sorry for you if your still stuck with ADSL in your area), the costs will be much cheaper to broadcast online via an app box like fetch or online app e.g Kayo which was recently introduced. Though if you are streaming it through your computer then all it takes is a HDMI cable to your TV and your good to go with whatever size you liked.

I believe this is what will give the power back to Australian football (new league), the clubs will take over and if they do things right from the start like amend or scrap the cap and are allowed to bring in investors/broadcaster which are actually interested in expansion and reg/pro and genuinely want a bright future for Australian football and not just looking for land grabs or any politics involved then going with a broadcaster that provides a better service but streams online should not be too much of an issue even if they are not going to invest as much as fox is willing to or am i missing something??

Zelinsky

Zelinsky

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3 hours ago, Carns said:

Basheer is still arguably the most boring commentator I've ever heard though. Should've done their own analysis and used the Fox feed.

Basheer is actually a free-to-air, prescription free, sleeping pill which has been discontinued, because of its painful side effects. 

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Edinburgh

Edinburgh

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12 minutes ago, Prydzopolis said:

Some verry verry verry interesting comments by the CEO of the southern expansion bid in this article

https://jwff.com.au/2019/03/15/southern-expansion-missed-opportunity-or-major-blunder/

Pretty damning! Why am I not surprised?

On the SWS introduction being delayed to suit WSW, at the member committee meeting JT strongly stated WSW made no such request.

Prydzopolis

Prydzopolis

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42 minutes ago, Edinburgh said:

On the SWS introduction being delayed to suit WSW, at the member committee meeting JT strongly stated WSW made no such request.

In saying that, we don’t know what was said via the APF... (A-League clubs association & it’s chairman)

  • 1 year later...
mack

mack

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Canberra'a A-League venture looks set to launch a licence bid in excess of $4 million to finally return Australia's top-tier to the capital.

It's believed it's either be to buy the Central Coast Mariners or to form a completely new club.

The Mariners licence is officially on the market with owner Mike Charlesworth reportedly wanting $4 million for it.

But it's believed Canberra's A-League bid will announce on Tuesday they're willing to offer a figure in excess of that - potentially to relocate the Mariners, but it could also be to set-up the 13th A-League team.

It's unclear whether they were looking to take over the licence next season or the following season.

Their European financial backers have stood firm with the bid, despite Football Federation Australia overlooking them in 2018 when they announced a two-team expansion of the league.

They instead went with Western United, who still haven't built their stadium, and Macarthur FC, who have been beset with turmoil despite not joining the A-League until next season.

Macarthur has also had one of their major financial backers pull out.

In contrast, the Canberra bid has Canberra Stadium as their home ground, their major backers have stood firm by the bid and they also have the support of the ACT government.

Andrew Barr's government was willing to kick in $1.2 million every season to the Canberra bid to help bring elite men's soccer permanently back to the ACT for the first time since the demise of the Canberra Cosmos.

The Cosmos played in the now-defunct National Soccer League for six seasons until they were excluded from the competition in 2001.

The FFA assured Canberra they were the next cab off the A-League ranks back in 2018 and have repeatedly reinforced that statement.

But it wouldn't be the first time the FFA has gone back on their word, with the ACT told the same thing back in 2009 when they missed out to the now Melbourne City - only for the FFA to then go with the Western Sydney Wanderers three years later instead.

Canberra's A-League bid has also received the backing of former NSW Premier Morris Iemma.

Iemma was part of the failed Southern Expansion A-League bid and is also a Football NSW board member.

"If the FFA is minded to allow relocation of the licence, relocating it to the ACT would strengthen the A League and strengthen football," he said when Charlesworth announced he wanted to sell the Mariners almost three weeks ago.

Mariners chief executive Shaun Mielekamp was hopeful of keeping the Mariners on the Central Coast, but was open to relocation.

The Mariners played two A-League games at Canberra Stadium in the 2016-17 season, but didn't receive enough support to make it worthwhile returning for a second campaign.

Neverbloom

Neverbloom

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13 minutes ago, mack said:

Canberra'a A-League venture looks set to launch a licence bid in excess of $4 million to finally return Australia's top-tier to the capital.

It's believed it's either be to buy the Central Coast Mariners or to form a completely new club.

The Mariners licence is officially on the market with owner Mike Charlesworth reportedly wanting $4 million for it.

But it's believed Canberra's A-League bid will announce on Tuesday they're willing to offer a figure in excess of that - potentially to relocate the Mariners, but it could also be to set-up the 13th A-League team.

It's unclear whether they were looking to take over the licence next season or the following season.

Their European financial backers have stood firm with the bid, despite Football Federation Australia overlooking them in 2018 when they announced a two-team expansion of the league.

They instead went with Western United, who still haven't built their stadium, and Macarthur FC, who have been beset with turmoil despite not joining the A-League until next season.

Macarthur has also had one of their major financial backers pull out.

In contrast, the Canberra bid has Canberra Stadium as their home ground, their major backers have stood firm by the bid and they also have the support of the ACT government.

Andrew Barr's government was willing to kick in $1.2 million every season to the Canberra bid to help bring elite men's soccer permanently back to the ACT for the first time since the demise of the Canberra Cosmos.

The Cosmos played in the now-defunct National Soccer League for six seasons until they were excluded from the competition in 2001.

The FFA assured Canberra they were the next cab off the A-League ranks back in 2018 and have repeatedly reinforced that statement.

But it wouldn't be the first time the FFA has gone back on their word, with the ACT told the same thing back in 2009 when they missed out to the now Melbourne City - only for the FFA to then go with the Western Sydney Wanderers three years later instead.

Canberra's A-League bid has also received the backing of former NSW Premier Morris Iemma.

Iemma was part of the failed Southern Expansion A-League bid and is also a Football NSW board member.

"If the FFA is minded to allow relocation of the licence, relocating it to the ACT would strengthen the A League and strengthen football," he said when Charlesworth announced he wanted to sell the Mariners almost three weeks ago.

Mariners chief executive Shaun Mielekamp was hopeful of keeping the Mariners on the Central Coast, but was open to relocation.

The Mariners played two A-League games at Canberra Stadium in the 2016-17 season, but didn't receive enough support to make it worthwhile returning for a second campaign.

CCM have really done **** all in terms of trying to build a community and actually keep fans so i wont be disappointed to have them gone, that said it was a fun away trip

StringerBellend

StringerBellend

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4 minutes ago, Neverbloom said:

CCM have really done **** all in terms of trying to build a community and actually keep fans so i wont be disappointed to have them gone, that said it was a fun away trip

They've done no more or less than any other A League club. Our club has done sod all since about season 3

Neverbloom

Neverbloom

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1 minute ago, StringerBellend said:

They've done no more or less than any other A League club. Our club has done sod all since about season 3

not true.........we hired a lot of coaches and changed our away jersey cololurs, we also teamed up with a pyramid scheme in herbalife so we have done things

ItchyNek

ItchyNek

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We need the N2D in place then expansion will be easier if the FFA iron out this mess we have ATM. I think clubs will have to bite the bullet and take a loss on the license fee (Maybe they can sort it out with the FFA in term of some sort of buy back thing but only get a certain amount back over x amount of seasons)

Say we hold off reg for 2 seasons but we promote two teams up from N2D so we can make it a 16 team comp then start reg. Plus it will give the AL teams some time to adjust and make sure they invest to stay up in the AL.

We cannot hold back this sport any longer in this country, it was held back enough by Lowy/Gallop and fox..

Wanderboy

Wanderboy

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5 hours ago, Neverbloom said:

CCM have really done **** all in terms of trying to build a community and actually keep fans so i wont be disappointed to have them gone, that said it was a fun away trip

I couldn't disagree more.

They had a community. The created a genuinely decent game day experience. Sure, we had a part to play in that but they were fun even before we existed.

They have been screwed by their owner, who wouldn't spend money. Sound familiar?

 

Neverbloom

Neverbloom

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2 minutes ago, Wanderboy said:

I couldn't disagree more.

They had a community. The created a genuinely decent game day experience. Sure, we had a part to play in that but they were fun even before we existed.

They have been screwed by their owner, who wouldn't spend money. Sound familiar?

 

honestly i think at first they did good stuff, first 4 or 5 seasons they were doing well and then they just stopped trying, maybe its because their owner wasnt willing to spend money though

Wanderboy

Wanderboy

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48 minutes ago, Neverbloom said:

honestly i think at first they did good stuff, first 4 or 5 seasons they were doing well and then they just stopped trying, maybe its because their owner wasnt willing to spend money though

I think it had more to do with their lack of success in latter years, unfortunately.

Neverbloom

Neverbloom

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7 minutes ago, Wanderboy said:

I think it had more to do with their lack of success in latter years, unfortunately.

sadly its always the case with most failing clubs, do honestly feel sorry for CCM fans though if this happens

StringerBellend

StringerBellend

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2 hours ago, Neverbloom said:

sadly its always the case with most failing clubs, do honestly feel sorry for CCM fans though if this happens

Failing clubs like one with the biggest catchment area for both fans and players in the country but doesn’t make the finals for three years running 

Hughesy

Hughesy

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On 25/08/2020 at 6:10 PM, Wanderboy said:

I couldn't disagree more.

They had a community. The created a genuinely decent game day experience. Sure, we had a part to play in that but they were fun even before we existed.

They have been screwed by their owner, who wouldn't spend money. Sound familiar?

 

I used to half heartedly follow the mariners between the start of the aleague and WSW’s creation as a result of free tickets via a family friend involved with CCM. They used to regularly sell out blue tongue and the place was rocking. The Mariners were huge up there.

The town centre of Gosford in those days was booming too which helped and was packed on game day. When I made the first ever WSW away trip up there, the place was completely different and has never recovered. It’s sad.

I think it would be a very sad day if the Mariners were to leave the competition.

StringerBellend

StringerBellend

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1 hour ago, hughsey said:

I used to half heartedly follow the mariners between the start of the aleague and WSW’s creation as a result of free tickets via a family friend involved with CCM. They used to regularly sell out blue tongue and the place was rocking. The Mariners were huge up there.

The town centre of Gosford in those days was booming too which helped and was packed on game day. When I made the first ever WSW away trip up there, the place was completely different and has never recovered. It’s sad.

I think it would be a very sad day if the Mariners were to leave the competition.

Me too, I flirted with being a sea bogan in the pre wsw years 

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