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A-League Expansion Thread V3

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SBW

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On 29/07/2023 at 9:11 AM, Sithslayer1991 said:

Lol ok so I wasn't the only one thinking these clubs needed to prove they can actually raise the money required to go pro.

I was optimist really beleived they wouldnt baulk at the money but now they all cry foul when its time.

I've said this before about the NSL clubs, this isn't about racism. If the old FFA were considering letting clubs like SMFC, Melbourne Knights, Olympic, Marconi and the likes into the Aleague back in 04, they had to show they have the financial capacity to compete, problem was in the NSL, most of those clubs had little to no money to run while the NSL was still in its semi-pro status, players still had to work to earn a living because some of the clubs had no cash to pay their players.

I couldn't remember how much it was to enter into the A-League back in 2004 but those NSL clubs wouldn't have the cash to buy the licence.

Carns

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The Crawford report also had a big part to play in officials wanting a 'fresh' start away from the old clubs. The way the existing clubs were treated was poor, and the wounds still haven't healed.

Sithslayer1991

Sithslayer1991

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2 hours ago, Carns said:

The Crawford report also had a big part to play in officials wanting a 'fresh' start away from the old clubs. The way the existing clubs were treated was poor, and the wounds still haven't healed.

Neither has their financial situation. :ninja:

Stokz

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On 28/07/2023 at 10:01 AM, SBW said:

From what I am reading, FA are asking the interested clubs that they pay a non-refundable $500k to the FA and the clubs are refusing to pay such money if they are not guaranteed a place in the NSD.

Why would clubs pay $500k, thats a lot of money for these clubs if they weren't guaranteed a spot. 

You can understand that sort of money if they got in. 

SBW

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11 hours ago, Carns said:

The Crawford report also had a big part to play in officials wanting a 'fresh' start away from the old clubs. The way the existing clubs were treated was poor, and the wounds still haven't healed.

Definitely not, I can understand why a lot of the fans from the old clubs are bitter about being excluded.

But I remember @mack posted something a while ago about Frank Lowy and his relationship with the NSL and the clubs from the 80s when he had to pull Hakoah out of the NSL which may have effected the ethnic clubs the chance to participate in the new league.

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Sithslayer1991

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On 01/08/2023 at 1:33 PM, Stokz said:

Why would clubs pay $500k, thats a lot of money for these clubs if they weren't guaranteed a spot. 

You can understand that sort of money if they got in. 

Been thinking about it and there are 2 options from FFA.

Raise the deposit price, refundable to those that do not make the cut.

OR

they keep it like this as teams withdraw they will automatically come up with 10-16 clubs to start NSD

 

Regardless they need the buy in from NSD club applicants and funds for the first season, FFA will not be stumping all the money for this. Clubs need to put in.

 

Always comes back to money

Stokz

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34 minutes ago, Sithslayer1991 said:

Been thinking about it and there are 2 options from FFA.

Raise the deposit price, refundable to those that do not make the cut.

OR

they keep it like this as teams withdraw they will automatically come up with 10-16 clubs to start NSD

 

Regardless they need the buy in from NSD club applicants and funds for the first season, FFA will not be stumping all the money for this. Clubs need to put in.

 

Always comes back to money

This was from that thread:

'Very vague details given to the clubs and are refusing to elaborate or answer any questions but have enforced a non refundable $500,000 fee to be paid per club per proposal submission.'
'And that’s just to submit your proposal with no guarantee the league will ever commence'
'It’s not for a licence it’s to submit your proposal and then a licence fee on top if you’re accepted'

Which state club has that sort of money to throw around? 

Then a license fee on top. 

They've gotta be joking. 

 

  • 3 weeks later...
SBW

SBW

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Sydney Croatia and SMFC have submitted their application for NSD

Upthehill

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17 minutes ago, pseudonym said:

"I know that SMFC Mike is a bit annoying on Twitter. But is that enough justification to block the club's application?"

It absolutely is.

Although SMFC fans and the club itself have provided plenty of reasons over the last decade

Midfielder

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On 25/08/2023 at 1:06 PM, mack said:

Owners for the Auckland & Canberra expansion teams are set to be revealed in the next month or so. No other details as yet.

Interesting... lets hope they have deep pockets...

As for SMFC and SU.... SMFC have never really been a problem whereas SU have often been trouble...

Sithslayer1991

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17 hours ago, pseudonym said:

"I know that SMFC Mike is a bit annoying on Twitter. But is that enough justification to block the club's application?"

Lmao I love how everyone has the same reaction on Sokkah Twitter and Reddit. SMFC Mike will be going mental over the NSD hahahhaa

SBW

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18 hours ago, Midfielder said:

Interesting... lets hope they have deep pockets...

As for SMFC and SU.... SMFC have never really been a problem whereas SU have often been trouble...

SMFC have the cash but the problem is that they have been known to low-ball players with payments

Midfielder

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On 25/08/2023 at 1:06 PM, mack said:

Owners for the Auckland & Canberra expansion teams are set to be revealed in the next month or so. No other details as yet.

Just re read your post...

You posted """""Owners""" meaning they must be sold .... leaves Jest & Perth, with media reports suggesting a couple of groups are looking at Perth... maybe its not all doom and gloom....

 

 

SBW

SBW

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On 29/8/2023 at 4:26 PM, Stokz said:

 

 

One thing that has surprised me is that neither Adelaide City Juventus and Brisbane United haven’t submitted their bids yet.

The lack of ACT, QLD, SA and WA clubs is a little bit worrying as majority of the applicants are from NSW and Vic

Sithslayer1991

Sithslayer1991

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2 hours ago, SBW said:

One thing that has surprised me is that neither Adelaide City Juventus and Brisbane United haven’t submitted their bids yet.

The lack of ACT, QLD, SA and WA clubs is a little bit worrying as majority of the applicants are from NSW and Vic

Cool so I wasn't the only one. I did notice those 2 clubs hadn't submitted or no indication, also unclear about South Hobart. Its not promising if other clubs from outside VIC and NSW are not applying. But especially Adelaide City and Brisbane United (which includes Strikers) both of which I consider big NPL clubs outside the NSW and VIC power bases. I wasn't even sure if the Canberra clubs went in.

  • 4 weeks later...
mack

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50 minutes ago, GunnerWanderer said:

What happened to the Canberra bid from last time I wonder… must have got disheartened and walked away.

The first bid team gave up after the FFA picked NQF & GCU because it would help the World Cup bid (although I never got exactly how) then the terrible Sydney Rovers bid, and it became clear they wouldn't get in after WSW replaced GCU.

The 2018 bid got rejected because the FFA wanted the cash from Fox Sports for starting the WU & Macarthur bids. 2020 bid never got close. Both of these also got concerns from League leadership over the financial model, as the clubs wanted to be 50+1 community owned while the league/FFA leadership want billionaires or very large consortiums of multi-millionaires to own the clubs. The next bidder was the guy who now is part-owner of the Mariners.

Now the APL have picked the city and setup a "bid" technically, but without finding someone willing to drop $25 million for the license and another ~$5 to $10 running it every year.

Sithslayer1991

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Ivan Slavich I think was head of the previous bid quit Canberra United when the board cut funding to the academy. So yea now we finally in a position for it the bloke who was behind the previous 2 bids is now not even part of Canberra football.

GunnerWanderer

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It’s quite sad 😔 but reality is years of failed attempts can disheartened one. Football in this country can be quite taxing to the soul. 

You would imagine if they play to start for next season this would be sorted by now… 12 months out doesn’t leave a lot of time. 
 

I suspect the delay in Perth Glory sale is a factor perhaps potential bidders have done their due diligence and baulked at the price and this sends ripples to others. 25 million price was floated in this article 

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/102639276
 

it’s all gone pretty quiet 🤫 over there about this not much news which leads me to believe they are struggling to get the price they want. And still nothing on jets also… 

This isn’t good for the league at all.

SBW

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$25m is stupid amounts of money.

Billionaires aren't stupid to put in this kind of money and expect little to no return.

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