What Floats Your Boat 4

[Wobblies]

33 minutes ago, wendybr said:

I don't doubt the health system is struggling big time. My heart goes out to people working on the front lines. It really does. Many people I know seem to be struggling with health issues....repeatedly.

I'd be interested in hearing what data is being twisted in the article, if you're inclined to share?

 

PS If the information in the article IS factual ( not saying it is, but I've seen pretty much everything reported there elsewhere) I guess we'll see it reported on the ABC News tonight. And in the rest of the mainstream media here.

It isn't good news overall  but it should be seem as good news re Covid?

I wonder who to believe Infectious disease expert Professor McMillan or the Daily Mail.?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-19/qld-covid19-modelling-death-rate-to-surpass-heart-disease/101249576

[StringerBellend]

1 hour ago, wendybr said:

What about the information presented was objectionable, Smoggy?

The reliability and credibility of a source is important. 

The Daily Mail is not a trustworthy source.

Edited July 19, 2022 by StringerBellend

[Smoggy]

1 minute ago, StringerBellend said:

The reliability and credibility of a source is important. 

 

Indeed..I wonder if Wendy realises “He / she is a Daily Mail reader” is a well known derogatory comment in the UK lol

[StringerBellend]

3 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

Indeed..I wonder if Wendy realises “He / she is a Daily Mail reader” is a well known derogatory comment in the UK lol

It's also famous for its ongoing project to divide all the world's inanimate objects and food stuffs into things that cause cancer and things that cure cancer.

It's not a reliable or unbiased source for medical opinion or indeed anything other than what happened in Married at First Sight last night 

 

[StringerBellend]

23 minutes ago, Wobblies said:

I wonder who to believe Infectious disease expert Professor McMillan or the Daily Mail.?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-19/qld-covid19-modelling-death-rate-to-surpass-heart-disease/101249576

I'm going with Eric Clapton

[Wobblies]

For anyone interested in daily compiled Covid statistics: Excellent and accurate site.

 https://www.covid19data.com.au/

[wendybr]

7 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

The reliability and credibility of a source is important. 

The Daily Mail is not a trustworthy source.

 

4 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

Indeed..I wonder if Wendy realises “He / she is a Daily Mail reader” is a well known derogatory comment in the UK lol

Hahaha...yes I totally do. 

Like t he Telecrap, I understand. 

But what actually looks dubious there. Give me specifics!

It wasn't our state premier, who actually did make it onto the News I watched a few days ago, saying that the flu was causing more problems than Covid.

[StringerBellend]

1 minute ago, wendybr said:

 

Hahaha...yes I totally do. 

Like t he Telecrap, I understand. 

But what actually looks dubious there. Give me specifics!

It wasn't our state premier, who actually did make it onto the News I watched a few days ago, saying that the flu was causing more problems than Covid.

I'm not going down this again.

I'd rather slam my privates in a car door

[StringerBellend]

16 minutes ago, Wobblies said:

For anyone interested in daily compiled Covid statistics: Excellent and accurate site.

 https://www.covid19data.com.au/

Does it say it's a Pfizer conspiracy? If not I'm not interested 

[Legionista]

58 minutes ago, Wobblies said:

The Daily Mail was the first british newspaper to come out and support Hitler and the Nazi's in the 1930's, it also strongly supported the Fascists in Spain. Its coverage of anything political is extreme right and got so bad that even recently Wikipedia refused to accept anything it printed due to its dodgy or non existent sources.  Basically it caters for those with a reading age between seven and eleven.

Golden. Lol. 

[Legionista]

Literally Hitler. 

[wendybr]

31 minutes ago, Wobblies said:

I wonder who to believe Infectious disease expert Professor McMillan or the Daily Mail.?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-19/qld-covid19-modelling-death-rate-to-surpass-heart-disease/101249576

^^^ Embarrassing...and sadly just the sort of pharma propaganda the ABC peddles. Hardly know where to start with what this "expert" says...tbh.

So I'll limit it to the following one point...

This "expert" says our death rate has dropped from 3% to .1%...and that's proof that the vaccines are winning the war!

Peru had the world's highest death rate of 3% during its Lambda outbreak early on.

It still tops the deaths per million, followed by Bulgaria, I think ( going from memory from Our World in Data, which is a brilliant source of data).

Globally the death rate was .3 from early on. Never 3%!!

Hospitalisation rates here last year were around 5%. With Omicron, sure... people are still getting sick and admitted to hospital, often WITH Covid, not solely FOR Covid. (so the "with Covid" and " from Covid" is often conflated, and makes Covid more frightening. But if the hospitalisation and death rates have fallen, it's more about Omicron being a largely Upper Respiratory Tract Infection than previous variants. And not so much that the vaccines have worked wonders,  altho I do understand that they have a temporary protective effect.

Anyway.. 

[wendybr]

12 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

I'm not going down this again.

I'd rather slam my privates in a car door

Promises, promises!

[wendybr]

29 minutes ago, Wobblies said:

For anyone interested in daily compiled Covid statistics: Excellent and accurate site.

 https://www.covid19data.com.au/

Tried twice to open it, but couldn't?

[mack]

[wendybr]

PS Here in 2nd graph are cumulative deaths per million for Covid for a few countries including Aust!

Don't know what our rate of heart disease deaths per million would be, but I'd be very interested in seeing them....to see how much the ABC "expert" is right in forecasting that Covid will overtake heart disease deaths.

Just linked this because I had it saved. It's a debate comparing the Swedish approach to Covid, with ours. Ignore the first post. It's factually wrong in saying our median death rate is 89...it's 83.

[wendybr]

PPS Don't know why Aust has been chopped off the graph above.iI can see it on what I have linked  Our deaths are 800 per million, I understand.  

[Wobblies]

37 minutes ago, Legionista said:

Literally Hitler. 

Let's get the undisputed facts out of the way first. At the beginning of the 1930s, the then Viscount Rothermere (Harold Harmsworth) owned the Mail and the Mirror.

In January 1934, he wrote - under his own byline - articles that appeared in both the Mail and the Mirror. The former was headlined "Hurrah for the Blackshirts". The latter was headlined "Give the Blackshirts a helping hand."

Within a year, he had removed his support for Mosley's party, though he remained an admirer of both Hitler and Mussolini. Indeed, he met and corresponded with Hitler, even congratulating him on his annexation of Czechoslovakia.

Rothermere with Hitler.

[mack]

Sad thing about that Daily Hitler article is who wrote it. Kevin Airs used to run fourfourtwo magazine, and based on what I know about him, I doubt he would have taken that job unless he had no other choice. There's no way he actually believes the shite in that article nor supports the tories that the far-right media in Australia and the UK that push pro-Tory anti-worker propaganda.

[Smoggy]

20 minutes ago, mack said:

Sad thing about that Daily Hitler article is who wrote it. Kevin Airs used to run fourfourtwo magazine, and based on what I know about him, I doubt he would have taken that job unless he had no other choice. There's no way he actually believes the shite in that article nor supports the tories that the far-right media in Australia and the UK that push pro-Tory anti-worker propaganda.

It’s known as the Daily Heil 

[StringerBellend]

1 hour ago, Legionista said:

Literally Hitler. 

Yep that's the guy

 

42 minutes ago, mack said:

Sad thing about that Daily Hitler article is who wrote it. Kevin Airs used to run fourfourtwo magazine, and based on what I know about him, I doubt he would have taken that job unless he had no other choice. There's no way he actually believes the shite in that article nor supports the tories that the far-right media in Australia and the UK that push pro-Tory anti-worker propaganda.

I noticed the name to and was thinking it can't be the same guy. 

Poor sod

[Legionista]

1 hour ago, Wobblies said:

Let's get the undisputed facts out of the way first. At the beginning of the 1930s, the then Viscount Rothermere (Harold Harmsworth) owned the Mail and the Mirror.

In January 1934, he wrote - under his own byline - articles that appeared in both the Mail and the Mirror. The former was headlined "Hurrah for the Blackshirts". The latter was headlined "Give the Blackshirts a helping hand."

Within a year, he had removed his support for Mosley's party, though he remained an admirer of both Hitler and Mussolini. Indeed, he met and corresponded with Hitler, even congratulating him on his annexation of Czechoslovakia.

Rothermere with Hitler.

I am well aware of this, as you say undisputed.

What this has to do with the accurate reporting of the strain hosiptals are under in Australia today? Nothing.

[StringerBellend]

3 minutes ago, Legionista said:

I am well aware of this, as you say undisputed.

What this has to do with the accurate reporting of the strain hosiptals are under in Australia today? Nothing.

You see the daily mail as reputable newa source? 

[StringerBellend]

1 hour ago, mack said:

I think I've seen this movie before 

[Wobblies]

31 minutes ago, Legionista said:

I am well aware of this, as you say undisputed.

Literally Hitler.......yes, tee hee hee, wow, umm lol and the other infantile nonsense you sprout. Stick to reading the Daily Heil. I have no intention of opening that garbage link. Discredited for supporting Hitler and has continued to this day to support right wing racist and extremist, but hey you like that don'y you. Tee hee, lol wow lol. 

[Cynth]

6 hours ago, wendybr said:

Wonders never cease....

Ban me, Mack...but this important.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11022951/Covid-Australia-Government-statistics-data-undermine-extremist-calls-masks-isolation-pay.html

 

Actually  the wonder would be if the ABC starts reporting this. 😂

FMD, here we are again. This dumbass Daily Mail article is designed to feed the confirmation bias of desperate anti-vaxxers. Selected data from a non-cited report because heaven forbid we link to the whole report and see the truth. 

1/ The data cited is averaged over the whole pandemic. Anyone with a mathematical brain will see the problem with that. For example, the case fatality rate (cfr) for Polio prior to the vaccine in the 50s was very high but if you average the cfr from the beginning of polio to now, it would be effectively close to zero and one could make the argument (if you are ignorant) that polio is in fact not a threat and a vaccine isn’t required. This article uses the data in the same way to make an argument that masks aren’t required. It’s deceptive. 

2/ This article takes one hospital at one point in time and says “well St Vincent’s only has two current cases”…surely I don’t have to say why that’s dumb. 

3/ Again thinking mathematically, it is of course less likely you will die of Covid now than in 2020 and in 2021, however the challenge is now different, The strains of Covid now kills more  than last year or the year before because of the huge capacity for contagion it now has. These strains are far far more virulent whilst individually being less likely to kill. That still means more deaths because of more spread. Whilst we can rest assured you are likely to be fine if you contract this virus, the masks are necessary to stop the spread. And hence reduce the death rate. Another way to put it is that the 2.8% case fatality rate in 2020 killed less because the virus was less contagious. The current case fatality rate of 0.1% will kill more people because the virus is so much more contagious. 0.1% of a large number is more than 2.8% of a smaller number. 

I don’t think a mask is a lot to ask really. The isolation period is for the same reason isn’t that big a deal either. 

But yeah the Daily Mail. Stupidity. 

[Legionista]

You can always ask.

[StringerBellend]

3 minutes ago, Legionista said:

You can always ask.

I just did. But once again you divert I get it's your thing 

[Legionista]

24 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

I just did. But once again you divert I get it's your thing 

 

The default position is always skepticism, to any news source.

People feel like they have to decide one way or another. The truth always comes out and this takes time. That's the problem, a lack of patience.

I think hospitals are under the pump, I think the health sector is worn out, and they would prefer the Government to introduce mask mandates.

What they don't understand and what these experts in general don't understand is that for 2 years we gave consent for the government to introduce various restrictions and mandates. Without broad community support it would be impossible to enforce. Simply put we would have to transform into Police state if this turns into a long term strategy -points to China-

People feel they have done their duty as citizens. They sat through various lockdowns and got doubled jabbed.

It's time to head towards normality.

This notion that we need to wear masks outside for months during the winter months and get 4 jabs a year and we must do that in fear of losing our jobs and or some type of punishment is not workable. You're dreaming if you think this is going to happen long term.

Take Victoria. The experts are clearly saying that we need mask mandates. The Victorian Government is resisting. Why? Cause the focus groups are turning.

It's time to let go of the panic.

 

 

Edited July 19, 2022 by Legionista
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[Legionista]

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