Australian Stadiums Discussion (Excluding Parramatta)

[GE942150]

6 minutes ago, Paul01 said:

The whole SFS rebuild was a complete waste of money brought about by Alan Jones as a senior member of the Sydney Cricket Ground Trust. He wanted the rebuild for his Rugby Union.

Stadium Australia was supposed to get the re-build first, but Jones and the big end of town swayed them to do the sfs first. 

[Paul01]

13 minutes ago, GE942150 said:

Stadium Australia was supposed to get the re-build first, but Jones and the big end of town swayed them to do the sfs first. 

And got rid of Mike Baird in the process

[mack]

New Penrith stadium confirmed. Intended to be 25k to 30k, start work in 2023 and take 2 years.

Christchurch in New Zealand is also building a new stadium, 30k capacity.

[Paul01]

3 hours ago, mack said:

New Penrith stadium confirmed. Intended to be 25k to 30k, start work in 2023 and take 2 years.

Well Panthers move to CommBank.

Stuart Ayres (imo an Alan Jones sycophant) is a Penrith local who shafted Mike Baird to stop the Stadium Australia rebuild. Will Panther NRL run it or the SCG Trust? If its the Riff, the it still can be used for football.

Edited December 9, 2021 by mack
edited a word

[mack]

On 09/12/2021 at 10:39 PM, Paul01 said:

Will Panther NRL run it or the SCG Trust

No idea. The leagues club owns the one there now. And just because the NSW Government is paying for it doesn't mean it automatically goes to Venues NSW. The simplest way forward would be that everything transfers over to the Government because they're paying for it.

[ManfredSchaefer]

2 hours ago, mack said:

No idea. The leagues club owns the one there now. And just because the NSW Government is paying for it doesn't mean it automatically goes to Venues NSW. The simplest way forward would be that everything transfers over to the Government because they're paying for it.

Stuart Ayres will undoubetdly say it was 'his' 

[Edinburgh]

On 22/12/2021 at 7:00 PM, mack said:

No idea. The leagues club owns the one there now. And just because the NSW Government is paying for it doesn't mean it automatically goes to Venues NSW. The simplest way forward would be that everything transfers over to the Government because they're paying for it.

The current stadium is owned by the Penrith Council. Although Panthers runs the whole thing.

[mack]

That's what I thought but Wikipedia says the club does so I just went with it. Maybe that editor confused owner vs operator which I believe the Leagues club does have the rights for.

[pseudonym]

Although WSW has bigger issues at the moment, I'm hoping that a new "governance model" of Penrith stadium will allow WSW games to be played there.

Given that this rebuild involves both an upgrade to facilities and an increase in seats, Panthers shouldn't get to hog the stadium to themselves.

[mack]

The club has a 10 year deal at Parramatta. The only competition games they can play outside WSS are R32 and R16 FFA Cup games.

[pseudonym]

2 minutes ago, mack said:

The club has a 10 year deal at Parramatta. The only competition games they can play outside WSS are R32 and R16 FFA Cup games.

Ah I see 

...

Carry on 

[mack]

Smurfs new stadium details.

https://stadium.sydneyfc.com/membership-categories

Biggest thing in terms of away games is that the entire lower bowl is taken up by reserved seating, so apparently the away fans will be stuck in the 2nd tier, or have an allocation in the bronze section.

And since it's in the south end, away fans will be either be on top of the smurf family end or literally right next to it. 

[GE942150]

12 minutes ago, mack said:

Smurfs new stadium details.

https://stadium.sydneyfc.com/membership-categories

Biggest thing in terms of away games is that the entire lower bowl is taken up by reserved seating, so apparently the away fans will be stuck in the 2nd tier, or have an allocation in the bronze section.

And since it's in the south end, away fans will be either be on top of the smurf family end or literally right next to it. 

Not a fan of that. Away active always looks better when its lower level, directly opposite the home active. 

[marron]

Genuinely wonder if that's to stop their ****wit knobheads throwing stuff down on away fans from the boxes.

[GE942150]

22 minutes ago, marron said:

Genuinely wonder if that's to stop their ****wit knobheads throwing stuff down on away fans from the boxes.

The new stadium doesn't have boxes in the north and south ends. Although I get your point, they can still throw stuff from the upper level. 

Edited January 18, 2022 by GE942150

[mack]

Considering the huge 45k capacity it makes no sense to put the family & away areas there together. The family end should go off to the side with the central southern end bays kept for away fans.

[Smoggy]

3 hours ago, GE942150 said:

Not a fan of that. Away active always looks better when its lower level, directly opposite the home active. 

Someone should tell Newcastle United that, the away ticket comes with an oxygen tank.  In the god seats

Old Trafford is another place I have been in the nose bleed seats.

At the other extremity I went to an away game at Leicester City’s old ground and had tickets on row 1. It was seats bolted on to an old terrace and the front was below pitch level when sat down, your eye level was level with the top of the pitch, whole game like looking up out of a trench.

[GE942150]

1 minute ago, Smoggy said:

Someone should tell Newcastle United that, the away ticket comes with an oxygen tank.  In the god seats

Old Trafford is another place I have been in the nose bleed seats.

At the other extremity I went to an away game at Leicester City’s old ground and had tickets on row 1. It was seats bolted on to an old terrace and the front was below pitch level when sat down, your eye level was level with the top of the pitch, whole game like looking up out of a trench.

Yep, I edited a comment about Newcastle in my previous comment but it didn't show up. 

[GE942150]

11 minutes ago, mack said:

Considering the huge 45k capacity it makes no sense to put the family & away areas there together. The family end should go off to the side with the central southern end bays kept for away fans.

I think it's 42.5 k, but close enough I guess. I like how their isn't much space between the lower and upper level in the north and south. That's one thing I hate about CommBank, too much space between lower and upper, makes it hard for upper fans to connect with the RBB. 

[GE942150]

4 hours ago, mack said:

Smurfs new stadium details.

https://stadium.sydneyfc.com/membership-categories

Biggest thing in terms of away games is that the entire lower bowl is taken up by reserved seating, so apparently the away fans will be stuck in the 2nd tier, or have an allocation in the bronze section.

And since it's in the south end, away fans will be either be on top of the smurf family end or literally right next to it. 

Hopefully sfc are crap by the time it opens and we some how get out of this mess we are in so we can give them a nice walloping for the first derby played there. 

[jockman]

6 hours ago, GE942150 said:

Hopefully sfc are crap by the time it opens and we some how get out of this mess we are in so we can give them a nice walloping for the first derby played there. 

it looks bad enough on tv  8k to 10k  rattling around Commbank stadium with 30k capacity, what more same number of smurfs in a 40k capacity stadium. Doubt very much based on recent derby turnouts that even our Derby with then will fill the stadium ?  not like the good old days

[Smoggy]

2 hours ago, jockman said:

it looks bad enough on tv  8k to 10k  rattling around Commbank stadium with 30k capacity, what more same number of smurfs in a 40k capacity stadium. Doubt very much based on recent derby turnouts that even our Derby with then will fill the stadium ?  not like the good old days

First derby there will be close to a sell out for the novelty factor and those wanting a sticky. Will inevitably fall away there after.. unless there is some drastic change that takes things back to how they used to be, but can't see that.

Away fans will be gouged no doubt with ticket pricing.

Edited January 18, 2022 by Smoggy

[Hughesy]

I understand the old SFS was riddled with safety violations but I still don’t get the thought process behind this new version. 

It’s too big for weekly competition games but too small for marquee fixtures. Seems to sit right in the sweet spot for being fairly redundant, particularly as Homebush remains the preferred choice for premium content.

Smurfs and roosters would be disappointed at the capacity you’d have to think. 

[Smoggy]

24 minutes ago, hughsey said:

I understand the old SFS was riddled with safety violations but I still don’t get the thought process behind this new version. 

It’s too big for weekly competition games but too small for marquee fixtures. Seems to sit right in the sweet spot for being fairly redundant, particularly as Homebush remains the preferred choice for premium content.

Smurfs and roosters would be disappointed at the capacity you’d have to think. 

Agreed. If Roosters are up the top then they could get decent crowds, but notoriously fickle fans. ANZAC day game v St George and finals games plus our first derby game aside hard to see it being even half full most of the time.

[GE942150]

29 minutes ago, hughsey said:

I understand the old SFS was riddled with safety violations but I still don’t get the thought process behind this new version. 

It’s too big for weekly competition games but too small for marquee fixtures. Seems to sit right in the sweet spot for being fairly redundant, particularly as Homebush remains the preferred choice for premium content.

Smurfs and roosters would be disappointed at the capacity you’d have to think. 

Well, that was the whole point of making Stadium Australia a proper rectangular football stadium, so you can get the best viewing experience for premium content. Instead, they decided to blow the money on a stadium in Penrith that's used by just one team. 

[SBW]

Victorian government looking to rebuild the great Southern Stand at a cost of $1b

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/mcg-eyes-rebuild-of-great-southern-stand-to-retain-sports-capital-crown-20220220-p59y1o.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1645396069

[StringerBellend]

On 19/01/2022 at 10:01 AM, hughsey said:

I understand the old SFS was riddled with safety violations but I still don’t get the thought process behind this new version. 

It’s too big for weekly competition games but too small for marquee fixtures. Seems to sit right in the sweet spot for being fairly redundant, particularly as Homebush remains the preferred choice for premium content.

Smurfs and roosters would be disappointed at the capacity you’d have to think. 

It's for rugby 

 

[marron]

On 21/02/2022 at 12:31 PM, SBW said:

Victorian government looking to rebuild the great Southern Stand at a cost of $1b

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/mcg-eyes-rebuild-of-great-southern-stand-to-retain-sports-capital-crown-20220220-p59y1o.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1645396069

The MCG is ****. For something so lauded all the time It has zero character. Yeah it can fit 100,000 people in it. I've been in it with 100,000 people and it's just a lifeless bowl.  No amount of fancy tech and food outlets and whatever else will fix that, but, fat chance that you'll find anyone willing to point it out. They're always talking about the States and their stadiums - aside from the drive to make stadiums as close to someone's living room as possible which I will never understand - the thing they have done well with design is to give them genuinely unique features. In the 60s and 70s they build these multipurpose cookie cutter places all over the joint and they have slowly got rid of most of them because they were lifeless and had no character (and no facilities). The MCG is the closest thing we have to those cookie cutters. It's a bowl with no identifiable features that victorian parochialism props up as something special when it's a boring arse dump where you are far from any action because of the nature  of it. But the bowl is the one thing they cannot fix. So build a fancy stand, and nothing will change - least of all those bloody eddie maguire types for whom "MELBOURNE'S STATUS AS WORLD NO 1 SPORTING CITY" is a) important and b) true.

[GE942150]

6 minutes ago, marron said:

The MCG is ****. For something so lauded all the time It has zero character. Yeah it can fit 100,000 people in it. I've been in it with 100,000 people and it's just a lifeless bowl.  No amount of fancy tech and food outlets and whatever else will fix that, but, fat chance that you'll find anyone willing to point it out. They're always talking about the States and their stadiums - aside from the drive to make stadiums as close to someone's living room as possible which I will never understand - the thing they have done well with design is to give them genuinely unique features. In the 60s and 70s they build these multipurpose cookie cutter places all over the joint and they have slowly got rid of most of them because they were lifeless and had no character (and no facilities). The MCG is the closest thing we have to those cookie cutters. It's a bowl with no identifiable features that victorian parochialism props up as something special when it's a boring arse dump where you are far from any action because of the nature  of it. But the bowl is the one thing they cannot fix. So build a fancy stand, and nothing will change - least of all those bloody eddie maguire types for whom "MELBOURNE'S STATUS AS WORLD NO 1 SPORTING CITY" is a) important and b) true.

I've always thought the MCG is over rated. Big capacity doesn't mean its quality. 

[marron]

Yeah. I really looked forward to it before I went for the first time because of its reputation for being this cauldron and everything. It's just not, it has no character, and there is nothing special about it aside from its capacity, but that doesn't really create anything special either.