Football Media Discussion

[Prydzopolis]

Those that have been watching South Park the last few seasons can instantly see that "article" as a paid advertisement.

The ads are evolving.

AwFuL and League get paid advertising, I get that but cricket? I understand that cricket have the funds available to pay large salaries for a month long competition & subsidise ticket prices ($40 for a family ticket) but paid advertising too now? I would more put it down to newspapers with the traditional focus on "Australia's summer sport" & responding to the ratings the big bash get on FTA.

 

I'd put the police commissioners comments down to ignorance rather than anything else. I remember the senate hearing related to the Wanderers & it was amazing how out of touch the commissioner sounded. It was as if he was stuck in another era & can't understand how these "soccer" fans just materialised.

[JackDoff]

 

Those that have been watching South Park the last few seasons can instantly see that "article" as a paid advertisement.

The ads are evolving.

AwFuL and League get paid advertising, I get that but cricket? I understand that cricket have the funds available to pay large salaries for a month long competition & subsidise ticket prices ($40 for a family ticket) but paid advertising too now? I would more put it down to newspapers with the traditional focus on "Australia's summer sport" & responding to the ratings the big bash get on FTA.

I'd put the police commissioners comments down to ignorance rather than anything else. I remember the senate hearing related to the Wanderers & it was amazing how out of touch the commissioner sounded. It was as if he was stuck in another era & can't understand how these "soccer" fans just materialised.

I'm surprised a 2nd or 3rd generation wog like Scipione didn't explain the whole "sokkah" ideal to his commissioner

[Horus]

 

 

Those that have been watching South Park the last few seasons can instantly see that "article" as a paid advertisement.

The ads are evolving.

AwFuL and League get paid advertising, I get that but cricket? I understand that cricket have the funds available to pay large salaries for a month long competition & subsidise ticket prices ($40 for a family ticket) but paid advertising too now? I would more put it down to newspapers with the traditional focus on "Australia's summer sport" & responding to the ratings the big bash get on FTA.

I'd put the police commissioners comments down to ignorance rather than anything else. I remember the senate hearing related to the Wanderers & it was amazing how out of touch the commissioner sounded. It was as if he was stuck in another era & can't understand how these "soccer" fans just materialised.

I'm surprised a 2nd or 3rd generation wog like Scipione didn't explain the whole "sokkah" ideal to his commissioner

 

 

Like most CEO's they live in their own bubble

[ColdRock]

I so feel like being compliant and respectful of the law now, what an inspiration that man is. Cops are indeed tops

[Gazmon]

 

Those that have been watching South Park the last few seasons can instantly see that "article" as a paid advertisement.

The ads are evolving.

AwFuL and League get paid advertising, I get that but cricket? I understand that cricket have the funds available to pay large salaries for a month long competition & subsidise ticket prices ($40 for a family ticket) but paid advertising too now? I would more put it down to newspapers with the traditional focus on "Australia's summer sport" & responding to the ratings the big bash get on FTA.

 

I'd put the police commissioners comments down to ignorance rather than anything else. I remember the senate hearing related to the Wanderers & it was amazing how out of touch the commissioner sounded. It was as if he was stuck in another era & can't understand how these "soccer" fans just materialised.

 

 

Was reading somewhere, can't recall now, about how Cricket Australia get use of the BBL venues virtually free-of-charge. They're all in cricket-specific venues (most used for AFL too), where as the A-League have to rent multipurpose venues. That's a massive cost to the club that is passed onto the ticket holder.

[CaptainJess]

A lot of editorial is paid for these days. I've said before somewhere that my organisation pays for a page in the DT everyday where we place race form and editorial. It's not a secret or something that just a few do. It's quite common these days.

 

It's also good practise for media teams in sports admin to approach the media with pre-done stories or ideas, instead of sitting back and waiting to be approached.

 

Your organisation wants coverage and the less work that a journalist or paper has to do fill space the better. I just think the FFA is quite poor at it compared to AFL, NRL and Cricket. These guys aren't doing anything dodgy - they are playing the system and reaping the rewards.

[btron3000]

These guys aren't doing anything dodgy.

They're not, but the papers are. Chequebook journalism is still chequebook journalism. Just because it's more accepted now doesn't make it right.

 

Anything that is paid for should be identified as an ad in my opinion.

[mack]

AFL NRL and Cricket have embedded tragics all the from from writers to editors to CEOs and media moguls. They will deliver free advertising simply by way of having a vested interest in the sport. Football doesn't have anyone beyond writers.

[Prydzopolis]

AFL NRL and Cricket have embedded tragics all the from from writers to editors to CEOs and media moguls. They will deliver free advertising simply by way of having a vested interest in the sport. Football doesn't have anyone beyond writers.

case in point

https://twitter.com/wutube/status/815511357403467777

[GunnerWanderer]

Its stuff like that which reminds me why I have no time for twitter it's basically a heaven for trolls. 180 words to come up with the best bait.

 

Thats poor bait btw maybe 2 out of 10 at best.

[Neverbloom]

AFL NRL and Cricket have embedded tragics all the from from writers to editors to CEOs and media moguls. They will deliver free advertising simply by way of having a vested interest in the sport. Football doesn't have anyone beyond writers.

who gives a **** what they have? we have michael cockerell so because of that they cannot have anything better

[Burztur]

 

AFL NRL and Cricket have embedded tragics all the from from writers to editors to CEOs and media moguls. They will deliver free advertising simply by way of having a vested interest in the sport. Football doesn't have anyone beyond writers.

case in pointhttps://twitter.com/wutube/status/815511357403467777

Lol and he is a smh "sports journo"...

[luisenrique]

 

These guys aren't doing anything dodgy.

They're not, but the papers are. Chequebook journalism is still chequebook journalism. Just because it's more accepted now doesn't make it right.

Anything that is paid for should be identified as an ad in my opinion.

Yep. If we think it's bad for sports, you should see some of the other sections (especially in News Limited but also in the others), where someone will write an 'opinion piece' about say mining which is really a puff piece about how BHP are really nice people who want to help everyone and aren't ******* anything up at all guys.

[Gazmon]

 

 

These guys aren't doing anything dodgy.

They're not, but the papers are. Chequebook journalism is still chequebook journalism. Just because it's more accepted now doesn't make it right.

Anything that is paid for should be identified as an ad in my opinion.

Yep. If we think it's bad for sports, you should see some of the other sections (especially in News Limited but also in the others), where someone will write an 'opinion piece' about say mining which is really a puff piece about how BHP are really nice people who want to help everyone and aren't ******* anything up at all guys.

 

 

The media do not report news, they twist advertising to make it appear as news

[MartinTyler]

 

 

AFL NRL and Cricket have embedded tragics all the from from writers to editors to CEOs and media moguls. They will deliver free advertising simply by way of having a vested interest in the sport. Football doesn't have anyone beyond writers.

case in pointhttps://twitter.com/wutube/status/815511357403467777

Lol and he is a smh "sports journo"...

 

Thing is that he does actually follow football but has an intense disliking for the A League

[StringerBellend]

 

 

 

 

AFL NRL and Cricket have embedded tragics all the from from writers to editors to CEOs and media moguls. They will deliver free advertising simply by way of having a vested interest in the sport. Football doesn't have anyone beyond writers.

case in pointhttps://twitter.com/wutube/status/815511357403467777

Lol and he is a smh "sports journo"...

Thing is that he does actually follow football but has an intense disliking for the A League

These people piss me off more than smurf fans (or any other a league team fans), at least they are engaged in he a league.

 

Nothing more tedious than the Eurosnob

[MartinTyler]

 

 

 

 

AFL NRL and Cricket have embedded tragics all the from from writers to editors to CEOs and media moguls. They will deliver free advertising simply by way of having a vested interest in the sport. Football doesn't have anyone beyond writers.

case in pointhttps://twitter.com/wutube/status/815511357403467777

Lol and he is a smh "sports journo"...

Thing is that he does actually follow football but has an intense disliking for the A League

These people piss me off more than smurf fans (or any other a league team fans), at least they are engaged in he a league.

 

Nothing more tedious than the Eurosnob

 

I think that QPR is his team so he should be used to mediocrity !!

[Erebus]

People like that that "follow football" overseas should be well versed in a thing called $$$$

Majority of leagues in Europe have similar crowds to the HAL. But for some reason everyone thinks every league in Europe is like the EPL.

 

People in a smaller Euro nation don't disregard their local league because all the stars play in the big 4 leagues.

Does my head in when "sports" people have this attitude in this backward country.

[wsw2154]

People like that that "follow football" overseas should be well versed in a thing called $$$$

Majority of leagues in Europe have similar crowds to the HAL. But for some reason everyone thinks every league in Europe is like the EPL.

 

People in a smaller Euro nation don't disregard their local league because all the stars play in the big 4 leagues.

Does my head in when "sports" people have this attitude in this backward country.

You are spot on because besides the epl, bundesliga, french league and a few of the bigger top draw clubs across various euro leagues.... the crowds are not as mammoth as first thought of.

[nmh94]

People like that that "follow football" overseas should be well versed in a thing called $$$$

Majority of leagues in Europe have similar crowds to the HAL. But for some reason everyone thinks every league in Europe is like the EPL.

 

People in a smaller Euro nation don't disregard their local league because all the stars play in the big 4 leagues.

Does my head in when "sports" people have this attitude in this backward country.

 

100% true - I don't remember the exact stat but we have something like the 15th highest average attendances in the world. Only the really big leagues (Spain, England, Germany etc) beat us with ease.

[jackyboyc]

 

People like that that "follow football" overseas should be well versed in a thing called $$$$

Majority of leagues in Europe have similar crowds to the HAL. But for some reason everyone thinks every league in Europe is like the EPL.

 

People in a smaller Euro nation don't disregard their local league because all the stars play in the big 4 leagues.

Does my head in when "sports" people have this attitude in this backward country.

 

100% true - I don't remember the exact stat but we have something like the 15th highest average attendances in the world. Only the really big leagues (Spain, England, Germany etc) beat us with ease.

 

 

That's exactly what these flogs can't handle. "How dare we come in 15th place, we are Australia and we have to win at everything we do". That's why they obsess over sports that nobody else plays. Their attitudes suggest that "we have the largest average attendances in the world for AFL so everyone should watch that instead".

[MartinTyler]

We're in 15th place mainly due to only having 10 teams of which 4 are Syd/Mel. Rest assured that any expansion will probably see that average drop. One of the biggest issues I see is that the 'A' League is a Franchise League, almost as plastic as BBL, which can put people off. It's something that most of us here have come to accept as it is the best we are going to get given the failure of the old NSL.

[jackyboyc]

We're in 15th place mainly due to only having 10 teams of which 4 are Syd/Mel. Rest assured that any expansion will probably see that average drop. One of the biggest issues I see is that the 'A' League is a Franchise League, almost as plastic as BBL, which can put people off. It's something that most of us here have come to accept as it is the best we are going to get given the failure of the old NSL.

 

Long term I don't think it will stay a franchise league forever, but short term I feel it has to. Our main problem is the other sports played in this country getting the financial and media backing. If all the other leagues are franchise leagues, we have to be for now to compete. It is the same with the MLS and they are still finding ways to grow.

[Gazmon]

 

We're in 15th place mainly due to only having 10 teams of which 4 are Syd/Mel. Rest assured that any expansion will probably see that average drop. One of the biggest issues I see is that the 'A' League is a Franchise League, almost as plastic as BBL, which can put people off. It's something that most of us here have come to accept as it is the best we are going to get given the failure of the old NSL.

 

Long term I don't think it will stay a franchise league forever, but short term I feel it has to. Our main problem is the other sports played in this country getting the financial and media backing. If all the other leagues are franchise leagues, we have to be for now to compete. It is the same with the MLS and they are still finding ways to grow.

 

 

The other issue is that these other sports: cricket, AFL & NRL (even Union to a lesser extent), we are dominant and one of the 'big' teams or only teams in some cases. You don't hear the rugby league in the UK comparing itself to the EPL every week, but for some reason here we feel the need to do the same thing in reverse?

[Hughesy]

We're 14th, here is the article I think you're referring to: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2835752/Bundesliga-pips-Premier-League-attendance-table-recording-second-biggest-average-global-professional-sport-NFL.html

 

It's pretty interesting to look at those figures. Overseas crowd figures are trivial yet here they mean so much because of the ridiculous monopoly over stadiums that mean attendances become a measure of breaking even.

 

Regarding Eurosnobs like old mate here on twitter; unless you have a UEFA level coaching license, are you really qualified to be talking about the technical shortcomings of the aleague? The way these people regurgitate their criticisms, I question if they actually know what they're talking about. It's a real look at me I'm an expert kind of statement that they make yet I doubt they could actually pin point specific nuances between here and Europe.

[Erebus]

These people also don't watch the $hit teams in the EPL play. They only watch the Top 6 teams play and think every single game is Champions League quality.

They are delusional.

[jdrudd91]

It's 2pm Friday and we haven't had the fabricated Bossi article to disrupt us ahead of the derby, no "Santalab to walkout on contract", No "Popa off to China", Not even "Lederer thinking of selling"

 

They don't make derby week like they used to

[ManfredSchaefer]

It's 2pm Friday and we haven't had the fabricated Bossi article to disrupt us ahead of the derby, no "Santalab to walkout on contract", No "Popa off to China", Not even "Lederer thinking of selling"

 

They don't make derby week like they used to

 

Ray Gatt got the Popa to China covered lol

 

Ray Gatt â€@Gatty54  1h1 hour ago

@SSouthy_SFC The Mail is Popovic is leaving at the end of the season with China the likely destination.

 

Actually Ray's okay. One of the very few MSM types worth a damn.

 

Frankly most of the football media in this country is shite. Whether you're talking Harper's commentary, Cock, Smithies or Bossi writing, ignorance from Nick Meredith...I could go on and on and on.

 

The best thing about Twitter is for all its possible BS it's direct, immediate and is engaging. That same BS we see in print and online (less so on radio) can get shot down quickly on Twitter.

 

[jdrudd91]

 

It's 2pm Friday and we haven't had the fabricated Bossi article to disrupt us ahead of the derby, no "Santalab to walkout on contract", No "Popa off to China", Not even "Lederer thinking of selling"

 

They don't make derby week like they used to

 

Ray Gatt got the Popa to China covered lol

 

Ray Gatt â€@Gatty54  1h1 hour ago

@SSouthy_SFC The Mail is Popovic is leaving at the end of the season with China the likely destination.

 

Actually Ray's okay. One of the very few MSM types worth a damn.

 

Frankly most of the football media in this country is shite. Whether you're talking Harper's commentary, Cock, Smithies or Bossi writing, ignorance from Nick Meredith...I could go on and on and on.

 

The best thing about Twitter is for all its possible BS it's direct, immediate and is engaging. That same BS we see in print and online (less so on radio) can get shot down quickly on Twitter.

 

 

The fact it's Gatty tells me it's probably true, of the flogs that pollute the football media he and Kevin Airs are actually worth using the name journalist to describe them.

 

Nick Merideth is still employed? He looks like a turd that has been shat by another turd

[Erebus]

I can't see Popa going to China. Its a pathway to failure. Popa wants to coach in Europe eventually and he sees Japan as a stepping stone since he has played there and understands the football there.

Chinese teams are ruthless with foreigners if they don't get instant success.