Socceroos active support

[wendybr]

Australia is a country which hangs on to its strong colonial roots. Association Football has been around as long as any other sports here however it was always seen as more of a minority sport with large participation base. Played a lot by kids at a young age but not taken seriously by most Australians as they grew older. The traditional Aussie would prefer to play the more rugged and manly games rather than appreciate the sublime skill Football has to offer. With immigration and globalisation this has changed a lot however.

 

The last 10 years has seen Football go into the mainstream and the a-league now gets compared against the AFL and NRL, and the Socceroos get compared to the Wallabies and Australian Cricket team. This was never the case before as 'soccer' as we all knew it was a sport for wogs only (or even worse). I think you have to accept that the traditional white Anglo Aussie won't support like a South American or European. So the support has to develop on its own organically. It will probably me more closer to the way the US or Scandinavians support their national teams.

 

A-league is a different story as there are more strong core members who run active groups and make things happen. People from different cultures come into the fray and are able to have more of an influence. The fact that it is done on a weekly basis means it is entrenched in all the clubs. You can't get this with country as matches are scarcely played . Also with a more mainstream following the national team support will always differ to club support in Australia.

 

This is a good summation I think.  But what about the way the Japanese keep up a constant chant at their games...their "Ohhhhh   Nippon" chant.  It isn't too taxing, it avoids that sort of horrible silence that occurred last night and is pretty non stop.

 

Can anyone foresee  something simple and repetitive - maybe accompanied by a drum or two...throw in a bit of clapping??? Is something like this totally beyond us?? 

 

Was it it  "Ole ole ole ole.... Aussie....Aussie" in Germany?? Might not be terribly original or inspiring...but something...please...other than silence??? 

[Johnno]

65 gone in the japan/Cyprus friendly and their support is still going strong, what a world cup send off should be like

 

1-0 japan btw

[JackDoff]

65 gone in the japan/Cyprus friendly and their support is still going strong, what a world cup send off should be like

 

1-0 japan btw

Japan playing a little below par imho

[Johnno]

Was it it  "Ole ole ole ole.... Aussie....Aussie" in Germany?? Might not be terribly original or inspiring...but something...please...other than silence???

was also 'stand up, if your on top of the group' before the Brazil game. now that was fine

[Montalbano]

All very true Montalbano. But it also raises the question when it comes to support style why havent the Cove jumped on board? FFA hate perhaps?

Thry have a more British style support which would be more in line with the broader community.

Or is it perhaps that it is just down to active support full stop and this sort of support is still foreign to mainstream Australia.

And especially now as we have more non foot all people going to watch the game it will be an even tougher battle.

I think it is well known that Western Sydney has larger South American, Southern/Eastern European and Arabic communities than Eastern Sydney. Our support shows in his way. It is more fanatical and more organised like the groups from these respective cultures. I actually think SFC's support is a more relaxed style of support based on (you are right) Pommy culture. More taking the mickey out of things and ad lib stuff. They probably throw some other things in but it really it is a mish mash of things. Sometimes sound ok, but don't really sustain it.

 

I don't think we will have a problem with people adopting the way we support. I am just worried about a few things and I have echoed my sentiments several times on this forum about certain things. I think sometimes things can be too extreme and we just need to tone it down a little. I think deep down inside people like the rebellious look and all. But things need to be done within context. Give the people a taste of Europe or South America but just don't scare them half to death

[pys]

 

Australia is a country which hangs on to its strong colonial roots. Association Football has been around as long as any other sports here however it was always seen as more of a minority sport with large participation base. Played a lot by kids at a young age but not taken seriously by most Australians as they grew older. The traditional Aussie would prefer to play the more rugged and manly games rather than appreciate the sublime skill Football has to offer. With immigration and globalisation this has changed a lot however.

The last 10 years has seen Football go into the mainstream and the a-league now gets compared against the AFL and NRL, and the Socceroos get compared to the Wallabies and Australian Cricket team. This was never the case before as 'soccer' as we all knew it was a sport for wogs only (or even worse). I think you have to accept that the traditional white Anglo Aussie won't support like a South American or European. So the support has to develop on its own organically. It will probably me more closer to the way the US or Scandinavians support their national teams.

A-league is a different story as there are more strong core members who run active groups and make things happen. People from 0different cultures come into the fray and are able to have more of an influence. The fact that it is done on a weekly basis means it is entrenched in all the clubs. You can't get this with country as matches are scarcely played . Also with a more mainstream following the national team support will always differ to club support in Australia.

 

 

 

This is a good summation I think.  But what about the way the Japanese keep up a constant chant at their games...their "Nippon" chant.  It isn't too taxing, it avoids that sort of horrible silence that occurred last night and is pretty non stop.

 

Can anyone foresee  something simple and repetitive - maybe accompanied by a drum or two...throw in a bit of clapping??? Is something like this totally beyond us?? 

 

Was it it  "Ole ole ole ole.... Aussie....Aussie" in Germany?? Might not be terribly original or inspiring...but something...please...other than silence???

 

you know active support is bad when wendy is asking for pyro.

[wendybr]

 

Was it it  "Ole ole ole ole.... Aussie....Aussie" in Germany?? Might not be terribly original or inspiring...but something...please...other than silence???

was also 'stand up, if your on top of the group' before the Brazil game. now that was fine

 

 

A variation on "Stand up...for the Socceroos"????  That's been out there as I recall.  Might be pretty insipid, but again better than nothing imo.

[wendybr]

 

 

Australia is a country which hangs on to its strong colonial roots. Association Football has been around as long as any other sports here however it was always seen as more of a minority sport with large participation base. Played a lot by kids at a young age but not taken seriously by most Australians as they grew older. The traditional Aussie would prefer to play the more rugged and manly games rather than appreciate the sublime skill Football has to offer. With immigration and globalisation this has changed a lot however.

The last 10 years has seen Football go into the mainstream and the a-league now gets compared against the AFL and NRL, and the Socceroos get compared to the Wallabies and Australian Cricket team. This was never the case before as 'soccer' as we all knew it was a sport for wogs only (or even worse). I think you have to accept that the traditional white Anglo Aussie won't support like a South American or European. So the support has to develop on its own organically. It will probably me more closer to the way the US or Scandinavians support their national teams.

A-league is a different story as there are more strong core members who run active groups and make things happen. People from 0different cultures come into the fray and are able to have more of an influence. The fact that it is done on a weekly basis means it is entrenched in all the clubs. You can't get this with country as matches are scarcely played . Also with a more mainstream following the national team support will always differ to club support in Australia.

 

 

This is a good summation I think.  But what about the way the Japanese keep up a constant chant at their games...their "Nippon" chant.  It isn't too taxing, it avoids that sort of horrible silence that occurred last night and is pretty non stop.

 

Can anyone foresee  something simple and repetitive - maybe accompanied by a drum or two...throw in a bit of clapping??? Is something like this totally beyond us?? 

 

Was it it  "Ole ole ole ole.... Aussie....Aussie" in Germany?? Might not be terribly original or inspiring...but something...please...other than silence???

 

you know active support is bad when wendy is asking for pyro.

 

 

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT? No way...lol!!!

[Johnno]

one thing that I remember from Kaiserslautern was the incessant 'ohhh Nippon, Nippon, Nippon, Nippon'

 

not very creative but it works great, when groups are coming together at short notice from all over you cant get too complex.

[pys]

something...please...other than silence???

 

We read between the lines we know what you meant.

Edited May 27, 2014 by pys

[wendybr]

one thing that I remember from Kaiserslautern was the incessant 'ohhh Nippon, Nippon, Nippon, Nippon'

 

not very creative but it works great, when groups are coming together at short notice from all over you cant get too complex.

 

Yes....exactly!

[Johnno]

 

one thing that I remember from Kaiserslautern was the incessant 'ohhh Nippon, Nippon, Nippon, Nippon'

 

not very creative but it works great, when groups are coming together at short notice from all over you cant get too complex.

 

Yes....exactly!

 

they did stop after about 84 minutes though.... 

[Johnno]

off topic:

 

Edited May 27, 2014 by Johnno

[Hughesy]

off topic:

 

Holy ****!

 

That commentator in the Japan Cyprus game.... Wasn't he a bag of fun! He sounded like he was hiding from someone he spoke so softly

[wendybr]

off topic:

 

 

Who'd 've thought back then we'd come to adore this man as we have!!

 

Well...both of them really!

[Erebus]

Personally, I think the active support for Australia should be developed organically. People have to be patient and not expect it to kick off the way it did with the Wanderers support. It takes years (even generations) for this to develop! I don't feel passionate for the team but I still go to the games and support them. 

 

Watching the team last night, I was frustrated like crazy. The team didn't look like they played with their hearts out on the pitch, and the crowd atmosphere was just a reflection of that. Heck the crowd was more enthusiastic when we were booing the capo to shut up! Which was absolutely hilarious to be honest, this one guy kept singing random **** and some guy shouts "WILL YOU SHUT THE **** UP!" nearby lol

 

But I feel more passion and dedication for the Chilean team because over there we are drilled from a young age to be patriotic, to be proud of your country and of your people. It's practically everywhere over there! From a young age (and I was born here in Australia) my parents were always telling me to proud of your roots, they sing their national anthem with such passion it brings me chills, and Chileans in general are just crazy.

 

I don't know, it's a broad and tricky question to ask and this is my opinion, but I reckon the first thing we need to do is to make Australian Football as the country's no.1 sporting priority, and we should be celebrating like crazy for just even qualifying for the World Cup. People don't realise how much of a honour and privilege to be able to do that 3 times in a row. That's right there is where we forget to appreciate how lucky we are to be able to do that.

/thread

 

Especially the bold bit. I think people forget that part.

[Legionista]

 

All very true Montalbano. But it also raises the question when it comes to support style why havent the Cove jumped on board? FFA hate perhaps?

Thry have a more British style support which would be more in line with the broader community.

Or is it perhaps that it is just down to active support full stop and this sort of support is still foreign to mainstream Australia.

And especially now as we have more non foot all people going to watch the game it will be an even tougher battle.

I think it is well known that Western Sydney has larger South American, Southern/Eastern European and Arabic communities than Eastern Sydney. Our support shows in his way. It is more fanatical and more organised like the groups from these respective cultures. I actually think SFC's support is a more relaxed style of support based on (you are right) Pommy culture. More taking the mickey out of things and ad lib stuff. They probably throw some other things in but it really it is a mish mash of things. Sometimes sound ok, but don't really sustain it.

 

I don't think we will have a problem with people adopting the way we support. I am just worried about a few things and I have echoed my sentiments several times on this forum about certain things. I think sometimes things can be too extreme and we just need to tone it down a little. I think deep down inside people like the rebellious look and all. But things need to be done within context. Give the people a taste of Europe or South America but just don't scare them half to death

 

 

Active support and "tone it down" don't mix. =/

[westofcentre]

off topic:

Skin him Shinji!

[GunnerWanderer]

 

Personally, I think the active support for Australia should be developed organically. People have to be patient and not expect it to kick off the way it did with the Wanderers support. It takes years (even generations) for this to develop! I don't feel passionate for the team but I still go to the games and support them. 

 

Watching the team last night, I was frustrated like crazy. The team didn't look like they played with their hearts out on the pitch, and the crowd atmosphere was just a reflection of that. Heck the crowd was more enthusiastic when we were booing the capo to shut up! Which was absolutely hilarious to be honest, this one guy kept singing random **** and some guy shouts "WILL YOU SHUT THE **** UP!" nearby lol

 

But I feel more passion and dedication for the Chilean team because over there we are drilled from a young age to be patriotic, to be proud of your country and of your people. It's practically everywhere over there! From a young age (and I was born here in Australia) my parents were always telling me to proud of your roots, they sing their national anthem with such passion it brings me chills, and Chileans in general are just crazy.

 

I don't know, it's a broad and tricky question to ask and this is my opinion, but I reckon the first thing we need to do is to make Australian Football as the country's no.1 sporting priority, and we should be celebrating like crazy for just even qualifying for the World Cup. People don't realise how much of a honour and privilege to be able to do that 3 times in a row. That's right there is where we forget to appreciate how lucky we are to be able to do that.

/thread

 

Especially the bold bit. I think people forget that part.

Sorry don't buy into this.

 

Since we are now in Asia we should be expecting to make the World Cup every time whilst the AFC have the allocations they do. 

 

Asia is the easiest route to the World Cup. If you are celebrating beating teams like Omar and Kuwait then **** me out expectations are way too low. Look at some of the quality that misses out in Europe and South America. I mean Zlatan will be sitting on his arse!

[marron]

That's kind of the point though isn't it, no zlatan, but we've made it, again.

[Guest ZipGunBop]

Australian active support needs more immigrants to make it good.

[westofcentre]

Why doesnt De Bohun be the capo.

 

I mean he played a large part in making active support for the national team what it is today.

 

He may as well play a leading role in urginfg the two tumbleweeds to sing.

Edited May 28, 2014 by westofcentre

[marron]

Australian active support needs more immigrants to make it good.

I propose a 1312 Visa.

[ColdRock]

 

Australian active support needs more immigrants to make it good.

I propose a 1312 Visa.

 

Needs more Sheedy

[ManfredSchaefer]

 

 

Personally, I think the active support for Australia should be developed organically. People have to be patient and not expect it to kick off the way it did with the Wanderers support. It takes years (even generations) for this to develop! I don't feel passionate for the team but I still go to the games and support them. 

 

Watching the team last night, I was frustrated like crazy. The team didn't look like they played with their hearts out on the pitch, and the crowd atmosphere was just a reflection of that. Heck the crowd was more enthusiastic when we were booing the capo to shut up! Which was absolutely hilarious to be honest, this one guy kept singing random **** and some guy shouts "WILL YOU SHUT THE **** UP!" nearby lol

 

But I feel more passion and dedication for the Chilean team because over there we are drilled from a young age to be patriotic, to be proud of your country and of your people. It's practically everywhere over there! From a young age (and I was born here in Australia) my parents were always telling me to proud of your roots, they sing their national anthem with such passion it brings me chills, and Chileans in general are just crazy.

 

I don't know, it's a broad and tricky question to ask and this is my opinion, but I reckon the first thing we need to do is to make Australian Football as the country's no.1 sporting priority, and we should be celebrating like crazy for just even qualifying for the World Cup. People don't realise how much of a honour and privilege to be able to do that 3 times in a row. That's right there is where we forget to appreciate how lucky we are to be able to do that.

/thread

 

Especially the bold bit. I think people forget that part.

Sorry don't buy into this.

 

Since we are now in Asia we should be expecting to make the World Cup every time whilst the AFC have the allocations they do. 

 

Asia is the easiest route to the World Cup. If you are celebrating beating teams like Omar and Kuwait then **** me out expectations are way too low. Look at some of the quality that misses out in Europe and South America. I mean Zlatan will be sitting on his arse!

 

 

Sorry Gunner but I don't buy into your argument.

AFC is not the easiest pathway into the WC finals. I wonder how we'd fare if we were slotted in with CONCACAF, where it's given 3.5 slots and you know that the third is always up for grabs because the Yanks and Mexicans invariably win through. Also unlike CONCACAF and our old neighbourhood the OFC the AFC is a confederation where the vast bulk of the countries that reach the last few stages of qualification have either a greater emotional and/or technical and/or financial commitment to football than Australia has. Let's be brutally honest; our standards have plateaued if not declined in the last 8 years whilst it is only through misgovernance and badly run campaigns that countries like China, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Oman and Uzbekistan have not made our task even harder.

One of the biggest flaws we as a football country and culture has is we underestimate the capabilities (both real and emerging) of Asian football. If you were talking twenty odd years ago, when the likes of Alan Davidson was playing over in Malaysia, or even when Eddie Thomson was coaching Hiroshima, then even in those days the gap in quality between us and them was not that disparate. I would argue that right now far too many recent followers of the Socceroos have expectations that are far too high.

Bottom line defeating any country no matter which confed they come from and their capabilities should be celebrated, and celebrated realistically. The best thing about entering the AFC was it meant we as a footballing nation have had to answer some big questions both based on our rivals in the AFC and our own internal matters. By belittling our competitors in Asia (which is of course not like Europe) it simplifies what at heart is a far more demanding qualification and cultural process than we experienced all through the years before 2006. 

[Gazmon]

Why doesnt De Bohun be the capo.

 

That's called a stoning isn't it?

[ColdRock]

 

 

 

Personally, I think the active support for Australia should be developed organically. People have to be patient and not expect it to kick off the way it did with the Wanderers support. It takes years (even generations) for this to develop! I don't feel passionate for the team but I still go to the games and support them. 

 

Watching the team last night, I was frustrated like crazy. The team didn't look like they played with their hearts out on the pitch, and the crowd atmosphere was just a reflection of that. Heck the crowd was more enthusiastic when we were booing the capo to shut up! Which was absolutely hilarious to be honest, this one guy kept singing random **** and some guy shouts "WILL YOU SHUT THE **** UP!" nearby lol

 

But I feel more passion and dedication for the Chilean team because over there we are drilled from a young age to be patriotic, to be proud of your country and of your people. It's practically everywhere over there! From a young age (and I was born here in Australia) my parents were always telling me to proud of your roots, they sing their national anthem with such passion it brings me chills, and Chileans in general are just crazy.

 

I don't know, it's a broad and tricky question to ask and this is my opinion, but I reckon the first thing we need to do is to make Australian Football as the country's no.1 sporting priority, and we should be celebrating like crazy for just even qualifying for the World Cup. People don't realise how much of a honour and privilege to be able to do that 3 times in a row. That's right there is where we forget to appreciate how lucky we are to be able to do that.

/thread

 

Especially the bold bit. I think people forget that part.

Sorry don't buy into this.

 

Since we are now in Asia we should be expecting to make the World Cup every time whilst the AFC have the allocations they do. 

 

Asia is the easiest route to the World Cup. If you are celebrating beating teams like Omar and Kuwait then **** me out expectations are way too low. Look at some of the quality that misses out in Europe and South America. I mean Zlatan will be sitting on his arse!

 

 

Sorry Gunner but I don't buy into your argument.

AFC is not the easiest pathway into the WC finals. I wonder how we'd fare if we were slotted in with CONCACAF, where it's given 3.5 slots and you know that the third is always up for grabs because the Yanks and Mexicans invariably win through. Also unlike CONCACAF and our old neighbourhood the OFC the AFC is a confederation where the vast bulk of the countries that reach the last few stages of qualification have either a greater emotional and/or technical and/or financial commitment to football than Australia has. Let's be brutally honest; our standards have plateaued if not declined in the last 8 years whilst it is only through misgovernance and badly run campaigns that countries like China, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Oman and Uzbekistan have not made our task even harder.

One of the biggest flaws we as a football country and culture has is we underestimate the capabilities (both real and emerging) of Asian football. If you were talking twenty odd years ago, when the likes of Alan Davidson was playing over in Malaysia, or even when Eddie Thomson was coaching Hiroshima, then even in those days the gap in quality between us and them was not that disparate. I would argue that right now far too many recent followers of the Socceroos have expectations that are far too high.

Bottom line defeating any country no matter which confed they come from and their capabilities should be celebrated, and celebrated realistically. The best thing about entering the AFC was it meant we as a footballing nation have had to answer some big questions both based on our rivals in the AFC and our own internal matters. By belittling our competitors in Asia (which is of course not like Europe) it simplifies what at heart is a far more demanding qualification and cultural process than we experienced all through the years before 2006. 

 

 

We entered Asia to improve through regular competitive games, we were happy to get 5th best from South America but the problem was lack of preparation. If we thump Costa Rica, Honduras, Panama and Trinidad then play Portugal our chances are slim. Our tussles with Iraq and the Arabs however, have conditioned us for world class football not to mention gained us some respect. How many wake up calls have we gotten by playing in Asia/Middle East expecting 4-0 wins and being lucky to draw on the day.

[Tranquilo]

Active support has to be supported beginning  from the FFA  down to the venues hosting the matches. People shouldn't have to register flags over a certain size or register instruments it restricts the ease of organically making a venue more of a football atmosphere.

I remember the last socceroos qualifer/friendly I went to, there were lots of kids/adults/families with vuvuzuelas who had to chuck them in the bin or take them back to the car cause the security wouldn't let them in. As annoying as they are, if a kid can't make a bit of noise and show support for his nation then the ambition is lost somewhat there to become an active fan of the match.

Same goes if a small pair of bongos, or a oversized aussie flag or God forbid someone paints their face or wears a costume or face mask it is deemed as a risk and banned as the face can not be covered at all these days!

How can one be active/enjoy and have fun with all these restrictions? you can't so in the end you will always support the socceroos but not in the fun loving atmosphere that best suits us the fans, only in the way that best suits the FFA/stadium venues.

[WSW2166]

I believe if Australia were in the Concacaf region they would struggle, it's more tougher than asia.

They would struggle to play in some of them stadiums...

[Gazmon]

Anyone else get an e-mail to give feedback on the game on Monday?

I believe if Australia were in the Concacaf region they would struggle, it's more tougher than asia.

They would struggle to play in some of them stadiums...

 

And the same can be said in reverse.

 

The US are in a similar situation to us:

• Competing for local attention against other codes
• Trying to rejuvenate an ageing squad
• In a tough group

 

Teams like the US would struggle in Asia too, the distance alone for travel is enough to push even the best teams in the world to the limit, not to mention the uncomfortable conditions in the middle east.