The Refereeing Thread

[Edinburgh]

3 hours ago, Paul01 said:

You are different. Most players ignore the rule changes information and choose to live in the era when they were teenagers.

My association always presents to the clubs the law changes by our local referees branch. Whether or not the clubs past the law changes is up to them and largely not passed on

The "old" rules were better.

Those making changes think they know what they're doing, but they don't. 

[Paul01]

1 hour ago, Edinburgh said:

The "old" rules were better.

Those making changes think they know what they're doing, but they don't. 

We have more rules changes in the last 6 years than happened for 30 years.

Some new rules are better like the kick-off and the drop ball. Handball is a still a nightmare for the referees 

The current IFAB board is interventionist. It appears that the powers in charge want the ball in the net no matter if it is legal or not, at least for televised games. Illegally scored goals can be chaulked off by the Video Assistant Referee. 

I think the main IFAB intervention guy is an Englishman 

[Edinburgh]

26 minutes ago, Paul01 said:

We have more rules changes in the last 6 years than happened for 30 years.

Some new rules are better like the kick-off and the drop ball. Handball is a still a nightmare for the referees 

The current IFAB board is interventionist. It appears that the powers in charge want the ball in the net no matter if it is legal or not, at least for televised games. Illegally scored goals can be chaulked off by the Video Assistant Referee. 

I think the main IFAB intervention guy is an Englishman 

The Offside changes should be an improvement but the interpretation of interfering with play is terribly wrong.

VAR makes it worse. 

If they need to draw lines then it isn't clear and obvious. I'd also prefer offside being based on the players feet instead of shoulder, head or whatever. 

I tend to think the changes generally are aimed at making it easier for the referees (so they cop less criticism). But the changes to the rules and related guidelines mean the opposite is true.  The Handball situation is enough to discourage anyone to be a referee.  How the hell can a Handball by a defender be decided as the opposite to a Handball by an attacker?

The rule makers should firstly revert to the old rules and then consider possible changes with the knowledge of the stuff ups they've made. 

Etc, etc, etc!!!!!!!

[theguyyouwishyouwere]

11 hours ago, Edinburgh said:

The "old" rules were better.

Those making changes think they know what they're doing, but they don't. 

i'll take "things that have been said for the last 100 years" for $150 please

[sonar]

13 hours ago, Edinburgh said:

 I'd also prefer offside being based on the players feet instead of shoulder, head or whatever. 

 

100% this.

[Paul01]

41 minutes ago, sonar said:

100% this.

Offside is currently based on any scoring part of the body so the only part of the body not included is the arm below the sleeve line

[BoyFromTheWest]

Personally in think it is more realistic to judge whether two player's bodies are significant aligned (not completely). If that is the case, as a linesman watching in real time would see it, that is enough. If two bodies essentially align then it is onside.

Where there is a player clearly offside and sufficiently close to a defender as to distract or take the focus of the player from the ball or another player, then they have interfered and should be ruled off side.

The handball stuff is so very clearly confusing and difficult to judge and do frustrating in its inconsistency.

The other things that really about me are professional fouls (mainly pulling players off the ball) in the middle of the park that don't get yellows - it would do a lot of tactics of different players when beaten.

Standing over the ball on a free kick with no intention of moving away should be yellow. Throw-ins are frustrating. I think back to my playing days (long gone) and 90% of typical throw-ins would have been called foul and given to the other team. They usually move forward about 10m; they have their feet over the line; they don't throw it straight over their head...

A question: in my day, the ball had to travel it's full circumference to be in play from a dead ball situation. Is that still the case? I have seen does where a player moved out a couple of inches and another plays on.

Enough rant.

 

[mack]

The biggest change in offside I want is that anyone standing offside when a free kick is taken, in an attacking area when the referee has stopped play to prepare for it, is committing an offside offence. That doesn't even need a rule change, simply an "interpretation" that if you're lining up in the attacking formation in a bunch of players at a FK but you start offside that is interfering with play because you still occupy the attention of the defenders, and often are being marked by at least one of them.

I also think the "ceremonial restart" where teams are allowed to setup walls needs to be properly codified to prevent nonsense like a ref calling for a team to move away from the ball at a free kick, to let them start building a wall to defend against a direct free kick shot, then while the defenders are walking back as the keeper stands on the far post preparing the wall, the ref lets an attacking player take a quick restart and dink it into an open net when the game was stopped half a second before, often with zero whistle to indicate a restart.

It's also long past time to codify the end of a half/match. My suggestion is that when stoppage time expires the ref puts their hand in the air and blows the whistle once, and the game will only end from that point when a goal is scored, or when a throw-in or goal-kick would be taken.

[Edinburgh]

1 hour ago, mack said:

The biggest change in offside I want is that anyone standing offside when a free kick is taken, in an attacking area when the referee has stopped play to prepare for it, is committing an offside offence. That doesn't even need a rule change, simply an "interpretation" that if you're lining up in the attacking formation in a bunch of players at a FK but you start offside that is interfering with play because you still occupy the attention of the defenders, and often are being marked by at least one of them.

I also think the "ceremonial restart" where teams are allowed to setup walls needs to be properly codified to prevent nonsense like a ref calling for a team to move away from the ball at a free kick, to let them start building a wall to defend against a direct free kick shot, then while the defenders are walking back as the keeper stands on the far post preparing the wall, the ref lets an attacking player take a quick restart and dink it into an open net when the game was stopped half a second before, often with zero whistle to indicate a restart.

It's also long past time to codify the end of a half/match. My suggestion is that when stoppage time expires the ref puts their hand in the air and blows the whistle once, and the game will only end from that point when a goal is scored, or when a throw-in or goal-kick would be taken.

I agree re FK offsides. That's part of my "terribly wrong" comment. 

Not sure I understand the next point.  There should be much less delay in restarting after a free kick.  As it is, the offending team gets all the advantage.

Third point, nah, you can't be serious!