rodz7 Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Always relevant. Neverbloom, lloydy136, dongle and 9 others 12
Zelinsky Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 instead of turning on each other, why don't you wonder: 1. in the last couple of weeks Sydney fc, Newcastle, Adelaide and Melbourne victory have all had flares, why wernt they punished. 2. oh so it was an AFC game that's why we are being punished, well Melbourne victory let theirs off at an afc game also, what did they get? nothing. whether you think flares are cool or not doesn't matter, we are being singled out against every other club when they do the same action. We have singled ourselves out because we have left a trail if ripped flares in 17 months of A-League participation. The warning after Dec 28th was loud and clear. It wasn't heard. The party is over now. Back to singing and clapping. WhoDoWeSingFor, wendybr, Smoggy and 3 others 6
Neverbloom Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 instead of turning on each other, why don't you wonder: 1. in the last couple of weeks Sydney fc, Newcastle, Adelaide and Melbourne victory have all had flares, why wernt they punished. 2. oh so it was an AFC game that's why we are being punished, well Melbourne victory let theirs off at an afc game also, what did they get? nothing. whether you think flares are cool or not doesn't matter, we are being singled out against every other club when they do the same action. We have singled ourselves out because we have left a trail if ripped flares in 17 months of A-League participation. The warning after Dec 28th was loud and clear. It wasn't heard. The party is over now. Back to singing and clapping. its been an extremely long time since we ripped flares at home matches until Wednesday its not just **** for the RBB, its **** for the entire stadium, i hope the police bother to do their jobs and caught those responsible stavup 1
wanderersfanatic Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 instead of turning on each other, why don't you wonder: 1. in the last couple of weeks Sydney fc, Newcastle, Adelaide and Melbourne victory have all had flares, why wernt they punished. 2. oh so it was an AFC game that's why we are being punished, well Melbourne victory let theirs off at an afc game also, what did they get? nothing. whether you think flares are cool or not doesn't matter, we are being singled out against every other club when they do the same action. We have singled ourselves out because we have left a trail if ripped flares in 17 months of A-League participation. The warning after Dec 28th was loud and clear. It wasn't heard. The party is over now. Back to singing and clapping. True.
StephenPalasoski Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Conversation with club representative ! """With the ban in place does that mean we are unable to register any drums flags or instrument that add to the choreography of the chants for home games in the rbb! And has this been a decision but the ffa or the club as the same has happened in melbourne victory and has caused issues between club and supporters we all don't want that!""" Hi Stephen This in no way affects the drums, flags or instruments. This only affect the three subgroups that conducted the flares activity. The decision is a collaborative one from FFA, WSW, AFC, Venue and police. ""So it basically just affects the sub groups within the rbb and their own banners and flags that have nothing to do with the wanderers and our famous active area (red and black block) So tifos we have will still be possible! Thanks for your help"" Yes 100% correct, please help us make sure the correct information is circulated in social media Kindest regards WhoDoWeSingFor, Malone, 102megan and 11 others 14
MCHammer Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 instead of turning on each other, why don't you wonder: 1. in the last couple of weeks Sydney fc, Newcastle, Adelaide and Melbourne victory have all had flares, why wernt they punished. 2. oh so it was an AFC game that's why we are being punished, well Melbourne victory let theirs off at an afc game also, what did they get? nothing. whether you think flares are cool or not doesn't matter, we are being singled out against every other club when they do the same action. We have singled ourselves out because we have left a trail if ripped flares in 17 months of A-League participation. The warning after Dec 28th was loud and clear. It wasn't heard. The party is over now. Back to singing and clapping. This. Stop feeling as if we're being picked on. Do you remember how much pyro there was last season (not all at once i have to admit) but it happened a lot. where were our sanctions then? we've been let off the hook so many times before, this time its because the authorities are clearly not going to take it anymore. All the other clubs that you guys mention that have ripped flares have probably had less pyro combined in the past couple of seasons then we have had ourselves. So thats why their coming down on us, and not them WhoDoWeSingFor 1
Jowel Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Half a dozen flares/smokies let off at exactly the same time, spread across the active area. Tell me this wasn't planned/coordinated. Balkanite, Neverbloom, Nnnnnathan12 and 1 other 4
Prydzopolis Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Given the majority of responses here I'm thinking the less I say the better. Out with it!
stavup Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 The email says anti-social behaviour AND ignition of flares. I only saw the flares. Was there anything else? Thats what shits the most in this...Whats more frustrating than the flare lighting fools are the protectors and defenders of them, to which there are many. But behavior has been exemplary this year from an active support perspective, and this is a massive punishment that affects the whole stadium. The authorities that are in control of everything should consider providing appropriate security at games. The woman on the gate on Wednesday just felt the weight of my bag and said, i guess you dont have a bomb????. I went to 2 games of NFL in December in the US, and you are not getting into any venue over there with a flare, and if you did you are off to prison buddy, forget bans, you wont see daylight for 5 years.
dcol Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 We'll just have to sing louder on Sunday! This is ****, but not unexpected. homaigo 1
Prydzopolis Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 The email says anti-social behaviour AND ignition of flares. I only saw the flares. Was there anything else?The incident on 28/12 Flares = pyro Anti social behavior = fight between supporters Ulsan Flares = pyro Anti social behavior = referring to the pyro??
ATP Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Inb4thisthreadreaches10pagesbytonight Nnnnnathan12, Balkanite, Tranquilo and 5 others 8
Malone Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Inb4thisthreadreaches10pagesbytonight Probably a conservative estimate there.
MajorMelons Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Club's email confirms that it is $5000 fine PER FLARE, not per game as was mentioned on here before. That's what, a $35,0000 USD bill to the club for just one game, with the potential of more smoke shows in the remaining two home games. I would rather that money covered say a youth players wages for a year. Neverbloom, andypk, wendybr and 5 others 8
marron Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 instead of turning on each other, why don't you wonder: 1. in the last couple of weeks Sydney fc, Newcastle, Adelaide and Melbourne victory have all had flares, why wernt they punished. 2. oh so it was an AFC game that's why we are being punished, well Melbourne victory let theirs off at an afc game also, what did they get? nothing. whether you think flares are cool or not doesn't matter, we are being singled out against every other club when they do the same action. We have singled ourselves out because we have left a trail if ripped flares in 17 months of A-League participation. The warning after Dec 28th was loud and clear. It wasn't heard. The party is over now. Back to singing and clapping. This. Stop feeling as if we're being picked on. Do you remember how much pyro there was last season (not all at once i have to admit) but it happened a lot. where were our sanctions then? we've been let off the hook so many times before, this time its because the authorities are clearly not going to take it anymore. All the other clubs that you guys mention that have ripped flares have probably had less pyro combined in the past couple of seasons then we have had ourselves. So thats why their coming down on us, and not them Well I hope we are told hiw many are allowed next time... Anyway, its the groups that are affected and not la Banda.
tuco Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 From memory there was only one a-league game this season at home where a flare was let off. Apart from that instance, the only time flares were used was when non members had access to the RBB. It's disappointing that the sanctions affect those who have been generally compliant with the code of conduct (the members). Neverbloom 1
stavup Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 instead of turning on each other, why don't you wonder: 1. in the last couple of weeks Sydney fc, Newcastle, Adelaide and Melbourne victory have all had flares, why wernt they punished. 2. oh so it was an AFC game that's why we are being punished, well Melbourne victory let theirs off at an afc game also, what did they get? nothing. whether you think flares are cool or not doesn't matter, we are being singled out against every other club when they do the same action. Would you use that excuse if you were done for drink driving.."oh you are just singling me out"..we did wrong and thats the end of it, stop complaining about **** being unfair..its unfair that idiots are ruining our game, be concerned about that. Deuce, Wanderer74 and kais84 3
Prydzopolis Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Conversation with club representative ! Can someone tell me if I got this right? NG, amok and xxxx get everything taken off them (assume capo part of this group so no mega or stand) RBB, still gets instruments though as la Banda is not part of the three groups?
West13 Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Its sad for those who put in endless hours practicing the music, liaising with police and the club, making flags and tifos and helping to facilitate everything for everyone. Its sad that they have been let down by a select few that possibly have rocks in the place of brains and have chosen not to look beyond their own pyromaniac tendencies when considering the impact of their actions. Its just sad. We can't sit and compare to other clubs. We must just protect our own. Chips off shoulders and all that. Killerbug, stavup, WhoDoWeSingFor and 3 others 6
Malone Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) So from what i've gathered the only thing they are banning are the sub groups banners at the front of the RBB because i don't believe these groups have anything that could be banned?.Edit: I guess this would mean our mega and capo stand to actually. Edited February 28, 2014 by Malone
GD07 Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 So what the hell do I do with all this now?!?! lukev891 and DamnedUnited 2
Popular Post ShaunMielekamp Posted February 28, 2014 Popular Post Posted February 28, 2014 Please note that this does NOT is anyway affect the musical instruments, megaphones, flags or Capo stands. anyone seeking clarification please email active@wswanderersfc.com.au Makedonche, WhoDoWeSingFor, stavup and 15 others 18
Davo Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 The only time there are flares in the home end is when random people can get in, like last season, away games and ACL games. There are no flares when the home end is members only. Yet the FFA punish the RBB. What are the RBB expected to do to stop people with flares coming in? I've also heard a few people suggest that because they were all lit in a short period of time it must have been a coordinated effort and in some cases used that to point the finger at the RBB. As I posted in the match thread, these people are terrified of getting caught. Once someone lights a flare and it obscures everyone in smoke then anyone who has a flare is going to take that opportunity to light theirs. It's a bit like a pitch invasion. If one person runs on they get caught but once enough people run on everyone takes the opportunity because they know they won't get caught. I understand why the FFA feel they have to act but I'd like them to tell us what we're expected to do to prevent it. Neverbloom 1
West13 Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Please note that this does NOT is anyway affect the musical instruments, megaphones, flags or Capo stands. anyone seeking clarification please email active@wswanderersfc.com.au Great clarification Shaun. Legend. However... still a shitty situation and hopefully numpties learn! Light flares in your backyard and take selfies if you love them so much! lukev891 1
StephenPalasoski Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Conversation with club representative ! Can someone tell me if I got this right? NG, amok and xxxx get everything taken off them (assume capo part of this group so no mega or stand) RBB, still gets instruments though as la Banda is not part of the three groups? Pretty much I just spoke to that Shaun guy ! Never jump to conclusions boys !
Flytox Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Club's email confirms that it is $5000 fine PER FLARE, not per game as was mentioned on here before. That's what, a $35,0000 USD bill to the club for just one game, with the potential of more smoke shows in the remaining two home games. I would rather that money covered say a youth players wages for a year. As I understand it the next offence at an ACL game can mean playing future games behind closed doors which means not only losing $5k a flare but $150k in ticket sales per game.
wendybr Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 The only time there are flares in the home end is when random people can get in, like last season, away games and ACL games. There are no flares when the home end is members only. Yet the FFA punish the RBB. What are the RBB expected to do to stop people with flares coming in? I've also heard a few people suggest that because they were all lit in a short period of time it must have been a coordinated effort and in some cases used that to point the finger at the RBB. As I posted in the match thread, these people are terrified of getting caught. Once someone lights a flare and it obscures everyone in smoke then anyone who has a flare is going to take that opportunity to light theirs. It's a bit like a pitch invasion. If one person runs on they get caught but once enough people run on everyone takes the opportunity because they know they won't get caught. I understand why the FFA feel they have to act but I'd like them to tell us what we're expected to do to prevent it. If they're smart enough to be 'terrified of getting caught", I'd like to think they might be smart enough not to do it at all...EVER again at one of our games. So the consequences are very selective within the RBB, which is totally fair. But the club faces an almost $40,000 fine. It's still a heavy price to pay for a few minutes of dubious fun for a couple of individuals who basically only care about themselves.
BruceL Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Conversation with club representative ! """With the ban in place does that mean we are unable to register any drums flags or instrument that add to the choreography of the chants for home games in the rbb! And has this been a decision but the ffa or the club as the same has happened in melbourne victory and has caused issues between club and supporters we all don't want that!""" Hi Stephen This in no way affects the drums, flags or instruments. This only affect the three subgroups that conducted the flares activity. The decision is a collaborative one from FFA, WSW, AFC, Venue and police. ""So it basically just affects the sub groups within the rbb and their own banners and flags that have nothing to do with the wanderers and our famous active area (red and black block) So tifos we have will still be possible! Thanks for your help"" Yes 100% correct, please help us make sure the correct information is circulated in social media Kindest regards "the banning of flags, fence banners and concession items that are directly connected to the three supporter groups" So this email means the RBB can keep capo stand, flags, La Banda, everything. The ban ONLY APPLIES TO THESE THREE (unnamed) SUBGROUPS! (Sorry for shouting. The ipad doesn't do bold easily!) Thank you, Stephen. This is good news!
Peaches Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 AMOK, Northgate and bay 55 I'm guessing are the subgroups. Unless it's the CPC I don't know of any other "subgroups"
StephenPalasoski Posted February 28, 2014 Posted February 28, 2014 Conversation with club representative ! """With the ban in place does that mean we are unable to register any drums flags or instrument that add to the choreography of the chants for home games in the rbb! And has this been a decision but the ffa or the club as the same has happened in melbourne victory and has caused issues between club and supporters we all don't want that!""" Hi Stephen This in no way affects the drums, flags or instruments. This only affect the three subgroups that conducted the flares activity. The decision is a collaborative one from FFA, WSW, AFC, Venue and police. ""So it basically just affects the sub groups within the rbb and their own banners and flags that have nothing to do with the wanderers and our famous active area (red and black block) So tifos we have will still be possible! Thanks for your help"" Yes 100% correct, please help us make sure the correct information is circulated in social media Kindest regards "the banning of flags, fence banners and concession items that are directly connected to the three supporter groups" So this email means the RBB can keep capo stand, flags, La Banda, everything. The ban ONLY APPLIES TO THESE THREE (unnamed) SUBGROUPS! (Sorry for shouting. The ipad doesn't do bold easily!) Thank you, Stephen. This is good news! Anytime for fellow wanderers supporters ! I myself love active support so was horrible news but thought id as A few questions before jumping to any conclusion wendybr 1
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