#NoToANZ Poll

[Guest ZipGunBop]

Where were all the "yes to ANZ people" when the community forums were on?

 

When Lyall Gorman got a standing ovation for announcing the club will play ALL games at Parramatta stadium because, and I quote "it's what the fans want".

 

?

[Guest ZipGunBop]

Much of the well reported slide in NRL patronage can be attributed to clubs moving their games to ANZ. Fans hate going there for a reason.

[Montalbano]

Look.. the whole thing is that Lyall keeps going on about us wanting to be the biggest sporting brand in this country. To do that you need to get the big crowds and play the big games in the big stadiums. That means the derbies against Syd FC at ANZ. If we play every single home game at Parramatta we won't be the biggest club in this country. You can't be that playing every single game in a 20,000 seat stadium.

 

I don't mind playing all games at Parra if Lyall just stops yapping his mouth at the media about being the biggest club. We can get our 15,000-16,000 averages every year and have our supporters follow a football club rooted in its traditions. I am comfortable with that as long as I know where we stand. Syd FC can the big commercial enterprise that pulls the masses, and we will be the smaller but more traditionally pure football club from the west. I am fine with that. But then we need to stop all this "biggest club" talk, because it is cringeworthy.

[Malone]

Explain how the question "do you want to play all home games at parramatta" is biased. If you can't get support for any games at anz there is no point trying to poll the 10% who want anz games to see if they want 1, 2 or 3 derbies or all big matches or all matches.

There's a clear difference between asking "do you want to play all home games at Parramatta?" and "are you open to playing Derby matches at ANZ?" with responses, like none at all, yes one a year, yes twice a year, or all of them. Although this question is probably the least biased of them all, the others are just going to yield an even clearer response bias.

 

I believe more than 10% would see it as a fair compromise to play one game at Parra. one at SFS and one at ANZ. But we will never know until we get a balanced poll.

 

Personally that's where i stand I'd only accept the moving of one Derby and that's it no more.

Edited October 31, 2013 by Malone

[stavup]

They will finish this upgrade then tell us to keep moving matches.. even all matches to anz. The govt woud rather kickback to their mates that own anz than help us.

never underestimate the back door deals and sneaky handshakes that go on with this sort of stuff...when it comes down to cash, those that have it and those that seek it will stop at nothing to get it and hang on to it...we the fans are a distant 8th in the scheme of things..We fight for what we have now..never give that up..

[HungHuynh]

Look.. the whole thing is that Lyall keeps going on about us wanting to be the biggest sporting brand in this country. To do that you need to get the big crowds and play the big games in the big stadiums. That means the derbies against Syd FC at ANZ. If we play every single home game at Parramatta we won't be the biggest club in this country. You can't be that playing every single game in a 20,000 seat stadium.

 

I don't mind playing all games at Parra if Lyall just stops yapping his mouth at the media about being the biggest club. We can get our 15,000-16,000 averages every year and have our supporters follow a football club rooted in its traditions. I am comfortable with that as long as I know where we stand. Syd FC can the big commercial enterprise that pulls the masses, and we will be the smaller but more traditionally pure football club from the west. I am fine with that. But then we need to stop all this "biggest club" talk, because it is cringeworthy.

If you got a problem with how Lyall selling the club you should email him directly and tell him your opinion.

[Montalbano]

 

 

Look.. the whole thing is that Lyall keeps going on about us wanting to be the biggest sporting brand in this country. To do that you need to get the big crowds and play the big games in the big stadiums. That means the derbies against Syd FC at ANZ. If we play every single home game at Parramatta we won't be the biggest club in this country. You can't be that playing every single game in a 20,000 seat stadium.

 

I don't mind playing all games at Parra if Lyall just stops yapping his mouth at the media about being the biggest club. We can get our 15,000-16,000 averages every year and have our supporters follow a football club rooted in its traditions. I am comfortable with that as long as I know where we stand. Syd FC can the big commercial enterprise that pulls the masses, and we will be the smaller but more traditionally pure football club from the west. I am fine with that. But then we need to stop all this "biggest club" talk, because it is cringeworthy.

If you got a problem with how Lyall selling the club you should email him directly and tell him your opinion.

 

I just think we are setting ourselves up for a massive fall with the message we are sending out there. We are on a massive high now. If we want to be the biggest club we have to take advantage of this NOW. Not in 3 years time when we might be coming 8th. With tickets and memberships being exclusive we are turning people away.

 

Sydney FC might be in a heap of **** now, but you can't deny that there is a whole lot of supporters sticking solid with them. They will more than likely average more than us this year even if they come last. What happens when the good times hit? They could be averaging 20,000-25,000 at the SFS. That will mean they will always be the bigger club, so maybe we should remain more low key rather than shoot our mouth off now and get egg put on our face later.

[matty]

Funny thread is funny.

Can't be taken seriously.

 

 

 

Is it off season again?

[Sovereign]

I wouldn't mind moving the odd game from Parra if there was a better alternative than ANZ. ******* hate that ground.

[matty]

Marconi stadium

[Peels03]

No to ANZ.  The Stadium is poor the viewing perspective is terrible.  Parra Stadium need to increase to 40,000 seats.  Roofed all around keep in the noise and you will have an atmosphere which can't be beaten and everyone will have a great view of the action!!

[mack]

 

Explain how the question "do you want to play all home games at parramatta" is biased. If you can't get support for any games at anz there is no point trying to poll the 10% who want anz games to see if they want 1, 2 or 3 derbies or all big matches or all matches.

There's a clear difference between asking "do you want to play all home games at Parramatta?" and "are you open to playing Derby matches at ANZ?" with responses, like none at all, yes one a year, yes twice a year, or all of them. Although this question is probably the least biased of them all, the others are just going to yield an even clearer response bias.

 

I believe more than 10% would see it as a fair compromise to play one game at Parra. one at SFS and one at ANZ. But we will never know until we get a balanced poll.

 

Personally that's where i stand I'd only accept the moving of one Derby and that's it no more.

 

Why does there need to be a 'compromise' option when I'm directly asking if they want to play ANY matches at all away from Parramatta?

 

90% of the responses are "No, I don't want to play any matches at all away from Parramatta."

 

I don't see any point in trying to break down that 10% into 1 or 2 matches.

 

If SFC want to move their derby, or one of their derbies. Fine. If we get into the finals, that is the FFA's competition to run. Fine.

 

But this isn't the SFC forum.

 

This is about our club.

 

This is about our home stadium.

[matty]

Will you lock this one too mack?

 

Seriously man, try to stay a little objective, you lock the only balanced poll on the issue.

[mack]

We already have two polls on the subject. There's no need for more.

 

I still haven't heard any explanation on why a simple, basic question "Do you want to play all regular season matches at Parramatta?" is somehow 'unbalanced'.

 

Either you want to play all the matches at Parramatta, or you don't.

 

If you don't, you can pick the option that tells the reader that you don't want to play all matches at Parramatta.

 

If there was any kind of percentage approaching 50/50 I would then make another poll about specifics.

 

But it's 90% in favour of playing all matches at Parramatta.

 

The percentage voting to play at Parramatta has risen. It's over 91% now.

 

If #YesToANZ can't even get 10% for an option which comprises the totality of options that involve playing at ANZ, there is no need for more polling on that issue.

[matty]

We already have two polls on the subject. There's no need for more.

Then lock the silly ones. Not the only sensible one. Think about it man, your actions were a bit 'cove forum like' right there.

[Skull]

We already have two polls on the subject. There's no need for more.

Mack both other polls are severely skewed and biased.

 

The one poll that gave a range of balanced options you lock.

 

Seems if the results weren't what you wanted or in line with your opinion then it gets locked??

[matty]

Anyway, it means little, a hell of alot needs to happen before this is even seriously considered by the club.

[mack]

There were only about 5 votes made in the second poll. Like I said above, it wasn't needed.

 

If there are 100 people who suddenly vote in the first poll "No" (ie, they want to play any number of regular season games at ANZ) then I would create more polls.

[matty]

Can we have a poll to see if people want more polls?

[Skull]

We already have two polls on the subject. There's no need for more.

 

I still haven't heard any explanation on why a simple, basic question "Do you want to play all regular season matches at Parramatta?" is somehow 'unbalanced'.

 

Either you want to play all the matches at Parramatta, or you don't.

 

If you don't, you can pick the option that tells the reader that you don't want to play all matches at Parramatta.

 

If there was any kind of percentage approaching 50/50 I would then make another poll about specifics.

 

But it's 90% in favour of playing all matches at Parramatta.

 

The percentage voting to play at Parramatta has risen. It's over 91% now.

 

If #YesToANZ can't even get 10% for an option which comprises the totality of options that involve playing at ANZ, there is no need for more polling on that issue.

Mate your blinkered approach to this is approaching crazy censorship. The first question in this poll is asking a completely different question to whether or not people would be willing to move a derby game to anz.

 

No one is saying they dont want to play every gane at parra, what people are saying is that they would consider playing a game at anz for the sake of growing the team whilst we wait for the parra upgrade.

 

Stop skewing results, it wreaks of censorship.

 

For what its worth, still #notoanz

[mack]

Either people want to play all matches at Parramatta or they don't. Until people start voting against Parramatta there is no reason for any other poll threads.

 

That simple.

 

I haven't skewed any results. Why would I need to? 91% don't want ANZ.

 

We had 75% to 80% voting #NoToANZ in the past polls.

 

The FFA said this about the Parramatta Stadium announcement: "The announcement of Parramatta Stadium as the Wanderers home ground comes after overwhelming a support for the venue from the fans"

 

Gorman: "Our club will wherever possible be built for and by the people of Western Sydney".

 

This club was built around #NoToANZ.

 

Until someone can prove that a huge amount of people are interested in even 1 match played away from Parramatta I'll continue to work against ANZ just like we work against Hatamoto and vested interests in the mainstream media.

[Malone]

Mack do you actually want to get a fair review on the topic, or do you just want people to agree with you? the censorship here is ludicrous. 

Your question doesn't even address the issue at hand, the topic is about moving derby games to ANZ, not do we want to play all our regular season games at Parramatta. By phrasing it in this way you are insinuating that by answering the question as 'no' we are saying we want to play all our regular games away from Parramatta which is simply not the case. The other questions completely wreak of bias. 

The other poll is just as bias on the other side by stating "if members supported it would you support a move to ANZ" it makes you select yes because its states that members have supported it. 

If anyone knows anything about statistics you will know what response bias is and this is exactly what both polls have created.

For instance there is many people that would support moving one derby game to ANZ but your poll has no way for them to make this clear. 



 

Edited October 31, 2013 by Malone

[Skull]

Either people want to play all matches at Parramatta or they don't. Until people start voting against Parramatta there is no reason for any other poll threads.

 

 

That simple.

Ok boss man

[GunnerWanderer]

Funny thread is funny.

Can't be taken seriously.

 

 

 

Is it off season again?

Best post in thread hands down

[Burztur]

If we asked members whether they want to give up their seat and go to ANZ the majority would say no anyway. The issue is already biased because people have an interest in parramatta.

 

We just need parra upgraded to 35k anyway...

 

If you look at New York Red Bulls and LA Galaxy they only have 25k and 27k stadiums.

 

White Heart Lane is 35k...

 

Also for me - moving to ANZ means our team would lose our home ground advantage and part of the atmosphere from the RBB and fans would be lost. I would never want to give up any advantage our team has... We are in it for titles and trophies! That would bring in more money...

[mack]

One non required thread locked = Censorship?

 

 

You're question doesn't even address the issue at hand, the topic is about moving derby games to ANZ

 

Derby games are part of the regular season.

 

 

Not playing at Parramatta = Moving games. The question is even wider than just ANZ, because it can mean moving any game to any other stadium.

 

Even with a very wide net case for the "no" vote, it's still only 12 votes to 127.

 

It aligns with every other poll I've ever done, every community forum (and I've been to almost all of them, from the time before the club started) and pretty much every person who has spoken to me about this issue. I've spoken to Lyall Gorman on behalf of the people from this website to make it clear that the membership of this site overwhelmingly supported #NoToANZ and yes to Parramatta only. There is nothing in this thread that makes me change my mind personally, and I don't see any evidence of a collective change.

 

If you want to call that 'censorship', then feel free.

[102megan]

The TL;DR of this thread:      

Edited October 31, 2013 by 102megan

[Malone]

You've missed the point, in the topic i created i fully believe the top outcome was going to be "No, i do not support moving any derby games at ANZ" i was just posing the question in a way that would leave us with a better indicator of what we want. 

For example i would be more than happy to have one derby a year at ANZ, except it's impossible for this opinion to be expressed in this poll. I can't answer this poll without it seeming like i'm supporting moving all our regular games away from Parra and i can't answer everything else without it seem like i'm betraying the entire community, which is ridiculous.

Edited October 31, 2013 by Malone

[Bob]

ANZ has no atmosphere simply because people are used to going there to watch NRL where there is no atmosphere period. I would have no problem taking a derby game there but that's it. We can talk about Allianz selling out but at ANZ do you really think we would get even 60,000 for the derby? Personally I think Allianz is just as crap a stadium as ANZ but last Sat saw how fans can change that, and to say it's not a good view of the game is irrelevant. Being far away from the players is more relevant in respect to supporting the players.

 

First question in the poll I answered yes but not because it's Parramatta but because it's our home ground. I would answer yes if it was Parra, Belmore or wherever. 

[Malone]

ANZ has no atmosphere simply because people are used to going there to watch NRL where there is no atmosphere period. I would have no problem taking a derby game there but that's it. We can talk about Allianz selling out but at ANZ do you really think we would get even 60,000 for the derby? Personally I think Allianz is just as crap a stadium as ANZ but last Sat saw how fans can change that, and to say it's not a good view of the game is irrelevant. Being far away from the players is more relevant in respect to supporting the players.

 

First question in the poll I answered yes but not because it's Parramatta but because it's our home ground. I would answer yes if it was Parra, Belmore or wherever. 

Perfect example of what i'm talking about. "I would have no problem taking a derby game there but that's it" yet you still answered yes to the poll question.

 

Now can you see what i'm talking about Mack?

Edited October 31, 2013 by Malone