#NoToANZ Poll

[Jowel]

Move derbies to anz and govt will refuse upgrades and tell us to play all games at anz. It will kill our memberehip culture.

True to and extent. But moving away from Parra may actually be a help rather than a hindrance.

 

Look at the example of Melb Victory. They moved out of Olympic Park (capacity 18,000) in their second season and got huge crowds at the Telstra Doma (opening game there in season 2 was a 50,000 crowd).

 

There were massive crowds all season, and for that reason they were able to lobby the Vic Govt to redesign AAMI Park to hold 30,000 fans instead of the 20,000 originally designed for.

 

Do we stay at parramatta and keep talking about the potential to get massive home crowds, or do we prove it by moving to ANZ and getting the massive crowds?

[Zelinsky]

 

 

You know whats worse than static membership culture? Losing members because you play at anz and people no longer need membership for big games.

Devils advocate, the flip side is 'event seekers' buy memberships just so they can go to big games, leaving empty seats at a 'sold out' Parra for other games, and geniune supporters like FCB miss out...

Still #notoANZ

ppl had a year and a half to buy a membership...

[mack]

 

Why do I need to add another option for "if consulted blah blah blah play at ANZ" when the current first question "Do you want all regular season matches at Parramatta" is at 90% with 72 votes in less than a day!

72/16000 is still only 0.45% of the membership base. I'm not suggesting that the majority wouldn't agree with the poll, but it has about us much relevance as a poll you see at the end of an online news article. Statistically insignificant (when referring to the entire membership base). Granted, it is a reflection on what people on this forum may think, but that may also be skewed because people who post here may have more emotionally invested in this than other members.

Not to mention the majority, if not all the poll questions, are loaded and bias.

what is biased with the most important question? There is next to no support for anz. That has never changed.

 

We have 16k members. Upgrade parra maybe we have 20k. Upgrade again and get 25k. Then 30k. Then maybe we will get what the alf has and get th3 govt to build us a new stadium and give us full control of it.

If afl can get free stadiums because they play on oval we can get a stadium with no "touch in goal area" that is 10 meters deep because of union.with the fence and then the pitch. Not more advertising hoardings

[102megan]

Alrighty, going with the majority is boring, so here's my votes with my reasoning behind them! I don't 100% agree with what I'm saying - but felt that playing devil's advocate would be more fun. :angel:

 

NOTE: I'd also like to say Parramatta Stadium IS our home, and I do feel VERY strongly about that being the case. It's in a central location for ALL those in Western Sydney (South-West, West-West, North-West, etc.). But I personally don't feel that moving a game or two away from Parra Stadium, would be too harmful.

 

Do you want to play all regular season matches at Parramatta?

Assuming this means all "home matches"...

 

All? No. I'd be happy with ONE derby match per season to be played at ANZ. I'd also be happy with ONE of our home matches, to be at a different ground for the "community round".

 

 

Would you feel betrayed, shocked or hurt if the club moved regular season games to ANZ against the express wishes of the community that has built the club?

No, no, and no.

 

Yes I feel the majority of our games SHOULD be played at Parra Stadium.

 

But as mentioned in point one, I'm open to having a derby match at ANZ.

 

Should the FFA & Damien de Bohun stop interfering with the running of the club, leaving it to the likes of Lyall Gorman?

Yeah ok, I'll agree with the majority here.

 

Yes.

 

Do you feel the club would be betraying it's community ideals to move regular season games to ANZ?

No.

 

One of the community ideals is inclusivity & being welcomed.

 

Having ONE derby match per season at ANZ Stadium is a great thing - it would allow those who would otherwise miss out, the chance to experience the fantastic festival of football, for themselves!

 

A great opportunity for those curious about this "Sydney Derby", that they've heard so much about. A great opportunity for those curious about our mighty "Western Sydney Wanderers", that they've heard so much about.

 

If the club/FFA ignores community wishes with matches at ANZ, do you feel that it could lead to the club ignoring other important community lead aspects of the Wanderers?

Not at all, no.

 

The club is very much in agreeance, on the community side of things.

 

An example of this is their long term plan re:wanting a certain percentage of their squad, to be Western Sydneyers.

[mack]

 

Move derbies to anz and govt will refuse upgrades and tell us to play all games at anz. It will kill our memberehip culture.

True to and extent. But moving away from Parra may actually be a help rather than a hindrance.

 

Look at the example of Melb Victory. They moved out of Olympic Park (capacity 18,000) in their second season and got huge crowds at the Telstra Doma (opening game there in season 2 was a 50,000 crowd).

 

There were massive crowds all season, and for that reason they were able to lobby the Vic Govt to redesign AAMI Park to hold 30,000 fans instead of the 20,000 originally designed for.

 

Do we stay at parramatta and keep talking about the potential to get massive home crowds, or do we prove it by moving to ANZ and getting the massive crowds?

there is nothing to lobby for if we move. we get shafted and stuck at anz.

[westofcentre]

 

Move derbies to anz and govt will refuse upgrades and tell us to play all games at anz. It will kill our memberehip culture.

True to and extent. But moving away from Parra may actually be a help rather than a hindrance.

 

Look at the example of Melb Victory. They moved out of Olympic Park (capacity 18,000) in their second season and got huge crowds at the Telstra Doma (opening game there in season 2 was a 50,000 crowd).

 

There were massive crowds all season, and for that reason they were able to lobby the Vic Govt to redesign AAMI Park to hold 30,000 fans instead of the 20,000 originally designed for.

 

Do we stay at parramatta and keep talking about the potential to get massive home crowds, or do we prove it by moving to ANZ and getting the massive crowds?

 

 

Yes or it could backfire. For "the peoples team" to move away from what is viewed as a "suburban ground" where fans are on top of the players to move to a souless chunk of concrete and steel where we are far removed from the action may have a much more detrimental affect.

Perception is king. Sold out Parra or (say we do increase attendance at ANZ - big "if") 30,000 in a stadium of 80,000 will look terrible. And what if attendances decline? Then you have alienated your support base and good luck trying to re-engage them.

 

The march which to me is as symbolic as the match in Parra - what will happen to that? 

[Kraken]

I would like to see it left at home grounds for at least the next couple of seasons, let the derby grow. Anti football Journos have been raving about the atmosphere at the derby, well 50k at ANZ would be no where near as good as packed house at Parra and Allianz.. See what Parras capacity is in a few years time. 

[mack]

Pretty sure victory moved from olympic park because it was being torn down so Collingwood could build a new training facility. If they weren't going to build aami park they would have got stuck with etihad even for matches like wp and nqf.

[Zelinsky]

@mack

I guess your comment is for me. I chose to take out a supporter membership only because I enjoyed last year to move around in the ground. Sit here this time and there next time. I assumed that members would get the opportunity to buy tickets before the general public. This is currently not the case. I also did not expect to be faced with so called sell outs in gosford, parra, and moore park where 10-20% of the seats remained empty. Both these developments work now against me, and the other 500-600 supporter members.

 

I rang the WSW earlier, and they told me that a buy back scheme and a members buy first scheme are to be introduced soon, so thats something.

[FairPlay]

1/3 derby matches with NO OTHER REGULAR season games @ anz (for the short-term at the very least) is NOT going to harm the club or the code in any way ffs! The truth is it can only be a positive sign that we are outgrowing our current stadia and prove to the government that they should invest the stupid amount of money they were planning on pumping into anz, into increasing Wanderland to 35-40k+ (eg: mvfc sitch with aami going from the initial planned 20, to 30k instead). It would have the potential to become an annual event in Sydney's sporting Calendar bringing in crowds of 60, 70, 80+k. Imagine the positive press it would create for the sport in Australia. Its not all about WsW, sometimes people need to stop being so selfish and thinking "we are members so stuff the others that cant get to the game". Yeah, I like many others on the forum were part of the “noisy bunch on the northern hill" @ St. Marys, but we have come a long way since then, and many more have joined our ranks!

 

This idea would mean we miss out on one derby every 2 years in parra, but that is off-set by having 2 extra derbies @ a WS venue.

 

Since we have played smurf fc 2x in Rd3, they may as well make rd3 a Syd derby tradition (rd1 leave it with melb), and play rd3 @ homebush on an annual basis. That way the nrl gf is 3 weeks into the past and the players have had 2 regular season matches under their belt so should be in some sort of form/fitness for a decent display in front of 80k @ homebush bay!!!

 

#YesToAnzForTheDerbyOnceDemandDictatesItWillAttract50kPlusAndParraStadCapacityIsStill20k!

[mack]

Moving to anz gives the government an excuse to not ever upgrade parra again. They will instead throw more money to the nrl and afl.

[Robksi]

Moving to anz gives the government an excuse to not ever upgrade parra again. They will instead throw more money to the nrl and afl.

 

Based on what info? the government has already committed the cash as have Pirtek.

 

ANZ stadium is currently operated by a company associated with the AFL similar to skoda stadium.

 

I'd be happy to see one home, one away and one neutral (community round?) derby where the expected attendance warrants it (if both teams are doing poorly would you expect it?).

 

i have a heap of bandwagon mates that are likely to turn up for the derby and buy what ever merch is thrown at them, why not let the club profit off them?

[mack]

They will finish this upgrade then tell us to keep moving matches.. even all matches to anz. The govt woud rather kickback to their mates that own anz than help us.

[NeverMind]

Look if we move " a couple" of games to ANZ there is no going back to parra...

 

Those games will no doubt bring in big crowd numbers therefor the FFA will insist in us moving to ANZ

 

not sure if we have a clause that we must stay at parra for a number of years?

 

I say we stay at Parra full time, its who we are its a big part of the club.

[FairPlay]

Look if we move " a couple" of games to ANZ there is no going back to parra...

 

Those games will no doubt bring in big crowd numbers therefor the FFA will insist in us moving to ANZ

 

not sure if we have a clause that we must stay at parra for a number of years?

 

I say we stay at Parra full time, its who we are its a big part of the club.

 

We would still be @ Parra even if a community rd match is played @ anz. Community rd matches & venues are controlled by the ffa as far as i know.

Moving to anz gives the government an excuse to not ever upgrade parra again. They will instead throw more money to the nrl and afl.

 

pa pa paranoia! lol

[Unlimited]

Hopefully we get new owners who are like "ANZ full time? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA no" even if we move one match there.

Edited October 31, 2013 by Unlimited

[mack]

It wouldn't be a community round. It would be stealing a match from one of the club home grounds to force it away from where their support want it.

[Legionista]

Its not paranoia at all. The only reason the parramatta upgrade is going ahead is because we as a supporter bloc made it clear we don't want to be playing at ANZ. If we turn around and say sure ANZ isnt too bad and buckle the problem that the government and the ffa and so on faced would be gone. No need to spend money when we would be satisfied with ANZ.

 

i understand that most say its only one game but after that one game we'll be on the slippery slide to what i explained above.

[NeverMind]

Its not paranoia at all. The only reason the parramatta upgrade is going ahead is because we as a supporter bloc made it clear we don't want to be playing at ANZ. If we turn around and say sure ANZ isnt too bad and buckle the problem that the government and the ffa and so on faced would be gone. No need to spend money when we would be satisfied with ANZ.

 

i understand that most say its only one game but after that one game we'll be on the slippery slide to what i explained above.

That!

[FairPlay]

It wouldn't be a community round. It would be stealing a match from one of the club home grounds to force it away from where their support want it.

 

Judging by the feedback on this thread, its arguable what % of supporters “want it†and where.

[Flytox]

1/3 derby matches with NO OTHER REGULAR season games @ anz (for the short-term at the very least) is NOT going to harm the club or the code in any way ffs! The truth is it can only be a positive sign that we are outgrowing our current stadia and prove to the government that they should invest the stupid amount of money they were planning on pumping into anz, into increasing Wanderland to 35-40k+ (eg: mvfc sitch with aami going from the initial planned 20, to 30k instead). It would have the potential to become an annual event in Sydney's sporting Calendar bringing in crowds of 60, 70, 80+k. Imagine the positive press it would create for the sport in Australia. Its not all about WsW, sometimes people need to stop being so selfish and thinking "we are members so stuff the others that cant get to the game". Yeah, I like many others on the forum were part of the “noisy bunch on the northern hill" @ St. Marys, but we have come a long way since then, and many more have joined our ranks!

 

This idea would mean we miss out on one derby every 2 years in parra, but that is off-set by having 2 extra derbies @ a WS venue.

 

Since we have played smurf fc 2x in Rd3, they may as well make rd3 a Syd derby tradition (rd1 leave it with melb), and play rd3 @ homebush on an annual basis. That way the nrl gf is 3 weeks into the past and the players have had 2 regular season matches under their belt so should be in some sort of form/fitness for a decent display in front of 80k @ homebush bay!!!

 

#YesToAnzForTheDerbyOnceDemandDictatesItWillAttract50kPlusAndParraStadCapacityIsStill20k!

I just want to correct you on one issue.  The NSW Government does not want to spend a "stupid amount of money (on) anz".  The government's Stadia Strategy, November 2012, required that each of the Tier 1 and Tier 2 stadiums prepare or update their master plans.  As a result the SCG Trust has had a you beaut plan prepared for the Moore Park precinct as has the owners of ANZ Stadium.  The latter included an estimate of $250m for their upgrade.  Parramatta already had a current 5 stage master plan which was costed at just under $100m.  The government has not committed to any of these at this stage.  The situation then is that the government has multiple calls on its limited resources as far as stadium upgrades is concerned and is working through its priorities.

[WSFanaticos]

No To ANZ We're supporters not customers.

[mack]

 

It wouldn't be a community round. It would be stealing a match from one of the club home grounds to force it away from where their support want it.

 

 

Judging by the feedback on this thread, its arguable what % of supporters “want it†and where.

you want to argue against 90% wanting all home game at parra?

[Guest ZipGunBop]

I'd rather miss out on a ticket and have the boys at HOME. Rather than get in at ANZ.

 

I also think people that think the opposite don't think.

 

NOT EVEN 1 GAME AT ANZ EVER!

 

As soon as you open that door there is no closing it.

 

For **** sake, let this club be the last to stick, tradition has got to start somewhere.

 

DON'T CHANGE THE KIT

DON'T CHANGE THE CULTURE

DON'T MOVE THE ******* GAMES.

[Jowel]

 

 

It wouldn't be a community round. It would be stealing a match from one of the club home grounds to force it away from where their support want it.

 

Judging by the feedback on this thread, its arguable what % of supporters “want it†and where.

you want to argue against 90% wanting all home game at parra?

 

Dude you seriously need to create an unbiased poll that allows everyone to properly answer the questions.

I'd rather miss out on a ticket and have the boys at HOME. Rather than get in at ANZ.

 

I also think people that think the opposite don't think.

 

NOT EVEN 1 GAME AT ANZ EVER!

 

As soon as you open that door there is no closing it.

 

For **** sake, let this club be the last to stick, tradition has got to start somewhere.

 

DON'T CHANGE THE KIT

DON'T CHANGE THE CULTURE

DON'T MOVE THE ****ING GAMES.

I agree with this.

 

There are a lot of people saying a flat out no to ANZ purely because of the fear that we will never go back to Parra.

 

What if there was a guarantee that moving away from parra was only temporary?

[Guest ZipGunBop]

I've said it before in one of the MANY ANZ threads;

 

If we move to ANZ for "big games" FORGET ABOUT ANY UPGRADE AT PARRA, FORGET ABOUT A NEW STAND ALONE STADIUM. GONE. KAPUT.

 

It will be "they don't need millions on a new stadium, they can play all their games at ANZ and ANZ will pay us for the privelidge".

 

Think about what you want this club to become...........

 

Founded on community ideals, listening to the community voice etc, or money grabbing decision making to play home games at THE WORST FOOTBALL STADIUM IN THE COUNTRY

 

A ground that is shared by AFL, NRL, RUGBY UNION even CRICKET FFS.

 

you like watching free flowing passing attractive football? Because you won't get it there.

 

/rant.

[Zelinsky]

No To ANZ We're supporters not customers.

[Legionista]

There was a gaurantee that we wouldnt go to ANZ at all.

[mack]

Explain how the question "do you want to play all home games at parramatta" is biased. If you can't get support for any games at anz there is no point trying to poll the 10% who want anz games to see if they want 1, 2 or 3 derbies or all big matches or all matches.

[Malone]

This poll is going to have a clear response bias.

So much paranoia in this thread and a mentality of everyone is out to get us. I 100% agree with what FairPlay said.